all good questions. in germany, as i understand it, the law has recently been changed to make it the right of everyone, regardless of whether or not they have an address, to have a bank account. on the surface this sounds like a good thing (especially for artists & others who move around & sometimes need to open an account somewhere just to get paid once, i've had to do this before) but it's really about getting everyone into the system; tracking & controlling. if you are an undocumented person, not having an address won't be the only barrier to getting a bank account, & if the only way you can beg is digitally, then you're screwed ...
On 21.06.2017 13:34, Institute of Network Cultures wrote: > very disturbing indeed. As far as I know the Amsterdam example is > still a prototype - surrounded by the usual techno-euphoria. It is > funded by ABN Amro bank and designed by N=5 studio. > > who owns the infrastructure? > who pays for the upkeep? > how will bank accounts (address needed) and the costs related to this > be supplied? > who will capitalise on this new 'disruptive tech’ and who will suffer > the tightening margins? > will the money earned be free to use on whatever the homeless person > wants, or limited to bed/food? > will the poor be stripped of agency and generally punished for being poor? > etc etc > > > Inte Gloerich > > Institute of Network Cultures <http://www.networkcultures.org/> > Amsterdam University of Applied Sciences > > Working days: Monday - Thursday > > t: @INCAmsterdam <https://twitter.com/INCAmsterdam> > m: 06 21 15 66 09 > > // LISTEN: Zero Infinite Podcast #3 Listing Technology > <http://networkcultures.org/blog/publication/zero-infinite-3-listing-technology/> > // READ: The Riddle of the Real City or the Dark Knowledge of Urbanism > <http://networkcultures.org/blog/publication/the-riddle-of-the-real-city-or-the-dark-knowledge-of-urbanism/> > // ATTEND: Karakters en maskers: de gezichten van het online zelf > <http://networkcultures.org/online-self/2017/06/19/event-karakters-en-maskers-de-gezichten-van-het-online-zelf/> > >> On 21 Jun 2017, at 13:09, helen varley jamieson >> <he...@creative-catalyst.com <mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com>> wrote: >> >> it's happened already: >> >> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/beggars-china-now-accepting-donations-via-mobile-payments-qr-codes-1618396 >> >> http://www.odditycentral.com/news/amsterdam-introduces-contactless-payment-jackets-for-beggars.html >> >> i find this all very disturbing; the push for the digitisation of ALL >> transactions is being driven by banks & IT companies, who stand to >> make huge profits from it, & governments who will gain incredibly >> fine-grained information about minute details of our lives - from >> where we drank a coffee & with whom to, well, everything that we >> spend money on. the situation in india last year when the government >> abruptly withdrew 500 & 1000 rupee notes from circulation - which >> massively dissadvantaged poor rural people - was more about forced >> digitisation than about dealing with the black market. the black >> market is of course already flourishing in the digital world. >> >> living in germany, i've observed that german people are more attached >> to cash than for example british or new zealanders. there is a >> respect for cash & a distrust of having everything so documented & >> trackable. so there is some resistance to it here. >> >> some of us UpStagers are working now on a new performance called >> "Cash Flow" that is looking at this move to digitisation & what it >> means. what we lose from not having cash, what we gain, what we >> should be aware/wary of in this massive shift to how we as >> individuals live and exchange with one another. >> >> h : ) >> >> >> On 21.06.2017 10:54, aharon wrote: >>> Hiyas, >>> >>> Here's a quick question.. >>> >>> Once we get used to not using paper and coin oriented money.. Once the >>> cards and mobile paying methods will be the only way for payments - >>> how do we give for people begging in the streets? Or performing begging in >>> the streets? Or just singing in the rainy streets for some numerical >>> exchange? >>> >>> Will beggars have to have a card reading device? >>> Will they have to pay commissions to visa and such? >>> >>> Will street begging become not just an outcome of capitalist occupation but >>> also another way for capitalism to squeeze and monopolise capital out of >>> societies? >>> >>> Maybe we could have a begging robot that could be rented out for people in >>> need..? >>> >>> >>> Have fun! >>> aharon >>> xx >>> itchy.5p.lt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> -- >> helen varley jamieson >> he...@creative-catalyst.com <mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com> >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com <http://www.creative-catalyst.com/> >> http://www.upstage.org.nz <http://www.upstage.org.nz/> >> >> *We have a situation, Coventry! >> <http://www.wehaveasituation.net/?p=1402>* >> 24 November 2016 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com <mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com> http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz *We have a situation, Coventry! <http://www.wehaveasituation.net/?p=1402>* 24 November 2016
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