Just please stop referring to these stupid surveys (do you know anything at all about who filled in those surveys, for example?) -- NetBeans has a community of users and that's who we're focused on supporting. If there are missing features, file a bug report and ideally provide a pull request to provide the fix.
Thanks, Gj On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:05 AM Tom Arilla <tmaril...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hopefully I was wrong with the "decreasing popularity", Netbeans seems to > rebound > https://zeroturnaround.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/06-IntelliJ-IDEA-continues-to-dominate-the-IDE-field-768x683.jpg > > Le mar. 16 oct. 2018 à 10:54, Tom Arilla <tmaril...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> The advantage of Netbeans is (was?) its clean and organized interface. It >> is easy to destroy it with ad-hoc, non consulted decisions. I am spammed >> 20x a day with "<hammer> Compile on save is disabled. It can be enabled in >> Project Properties". Who came with that interface? I did disable "compile >> on save" to see instantly a list of all compile errors instead of "project >> contains errors, run anyway?", a question which I won't even comment. >> According to >> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32895522/disable-copying-entire-line-when-nothing-is-selected-in-intellij2014-04-gsoc.php >> the "copy entire line when no selection" was "the most viewed Intellij >> issue". Who just came and remove the option from Netbeans? And told the >> people which do not like it "I am sorry"? >> >> Possibly it is a good idea to concentrate on where Netbeans still shines >> and be careful with that. Improve in a consulted way. Devs are different, >> not everyone uses Netbeans to build very largr web apps which need "compile >> on save" and where almost always statement = single line so copying an >> entire line needs a shortcut. Which does not destroy usability for another >> dev, not at all, because everyone uses Netbeans to build very large web >> apps. >> >> I can not find the code in question using web search, possibly because >> the old forums seem to be gone, but I will look through old source code and >> post a patch here. If the option has really been removed and not something >> other failed. >> >> >> Le lun. 15 oct. 2018 à 21:06, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> a >> écrit : >> >>> Every option exponentially increases the states / configurations one >>> needs to handle and invites bugs. >>> >>> So, often times a product will just not do something by design. See the >>> great success of iPhone as a testament to this. >>> >>> But... we are developers! You can make a case for this feature. You can >>> write the patch yourself. You can submit it. And... even if it's not >>> accepted in the official build -- you can use your own custom NetBeans >>> build! It seems very sad to me that companies/developers/users find it so >>> unbelievable that you can actually customize your computing environment. >>> With a bit of time or money invested you can tweak your perfect cozy little >>> bits, just the way you like them. >>> >>> IntelliJ is a commercial product. On the forums you are a potential >>> sale. This changes everything. Last I checked the open-source Community >>> Edition didn't even have a proper Javascript editor (it only had basic >>> syntax highlighting) -- the good Javascript editor was commercial only. Oh, >>> how would things look if a small fraction of NetBeans' users would invest >>> the equivalent of an IntelliJ license (89 - 149 euro/year) back into >>> NetBeans development. >>> >>> --emi >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 4:12 PM Tom Arilla <tmaril...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I am a longtime user of Netbeans and a submitted of many bugs. I see >>>> how practically none of them is ever resolved, so that I do not submit any >>>> bug report any more. >>>> >>>> I am wondering now (as probably many other users, given Netbeans' >>>> declining popularity) if to leave, given the (increasing?) number of >>>> problems with the IDE. Please help me and explain the history of one of the >>>> many bugs, and why it is like that. Possibly it is a representative of the >>>> current ecosystem around the development of the IDE. >>>> >>>> It is here https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192613 and it >>>> has 8 years. It is about adding a ridiculously easy option. And about an >>>> option which was there, I but one dev representative who commented >>>> >>>> This behaviour is intentional. I am sorry you hate it but there are users >>>> who love it. There is no plan to change it. >>>> >>>> had probably no idea that an option to disable this "behaviour" was >>>> already there, several lines of code which were either removed or are no >>>> more functional. I would check it again, but I do not care any more. Few >>>> lines, which I would resubmit as a patch, but when I see a dev answer like >>>> that above, or how I was once ridiculed when I asked about this bug on the >>>> non-existing forum (something about the lines of not fixing it in order to >>>> show who rules here), I do not care any more. Someone reopened that bug two >>>> years ago, but probably no dev cares any more. >>>> >>>> IntelliJ is somewhat plagued with bugs, but when I browse discussion >>>> forums of IntelliJ, there is something encouraging in all that energy of >>>> *helping* the users, of *caring* about them. And we talk about adding few >>>> lines of a ridiculously easy code. Which does not even increase the >>>> complexity of the UI. Guess which will be my next IDE. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
