On 2018年02月21日 00:52, John Fastabend wrote:
On 02/20/2018 03:17 AM, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:19:02 -0800
John Fastabend <john.fastab...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 02/16/2018 07:41 AM, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:31:37 +0800
Jason Wang <jasow...@redhat.com> wrote:
On 2018年02月16日 06:43, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
The virtio_net code have three different RX code-paths in receive_buf().
Two of these code paths can handle XDP, but one of them is broken for
at least XDP_REDIRECT.
Function(1): receive_big() does not support XDP.
Function(2): receive_small() support XDP fully and uses build_skb().
Function(3): receive_mergeable() broken XDP_REDIRECT uses napi_alloc_skb().
The simple explanation is that receive_mergeable() is broken because
it uses napi_alloc_skb(), which violates XDP given XDP assumes packet
header+data in single page and enough tail room for skb_shared_info.
The longer explaination is that receive_mergeable() tries to
work-around and satisfy these XDP requiresments e.g. by having a
function xdp_linearize_page() that allocates and memcpy RX buffers
around (in case packet is scattered across multiple rx buffers). This
does currently satisfy XDP_PASS, XDP_DROP and XDP_TX (but only because
we have not implemented bpf_xdp_adjust_tail yet).
The XDP_REDIRECT action combined with cpumap is broken, and cause hard
to debug crashes. The main issue is that the RX packet does not have
the needed tail-room (SKB_DATA_ALIGN(skb_shared_info)), causing
skb_shared_info to overlap the next packets head-room (in which cpumap
stores info).
Reproducing depend on the packet payload length and if RX-buffer size
happened to have tail-room for skb_shared_info or not. But to make
this even harder to troubleshoot, the RX-buffer size is runtime
dynamically change based on an Exponentially Weighted Moving Average
(EWMA) over the packet length, when refilling RX rings.
This patch only disable XDP_REDIRECT support in receive_mergeable()
case, because it can cause a real crash.
But IMHO we should NOT support XDP in receive_mergeable() at all,
because the principles behind XDP are to gain speed by (1) code
simplicity, (2) sacrificing memory and (3) where possible moving
runtime checks to setup time. These principles are clearly being
violated in receive_mergeable(), that e.g. runtime track average
buffer size to save memory consumption.
I agree to disable it for -net now.
Okay... I'll send an official patch later.
For net-next, we probably can do:
- drop xdp_linearize_page() and do XDP through generic XDP helper
after skb was built
I disagree strongly here - it makes no sense.
Why do you want to explicit fallback to Generic-XDP?
(... then all the performance gain is gone!)
And besides, a couple of function calls later, the generic XDP code
will/can get invoked anyhow...
Hi, Can we get EWMA to ensure for majority of cases we have the extra
head room? Seems we could just over-estimate the size by N-bytes. In
some cases we may under-estimate and then would need to fall back to
generic-xdp or otherwise growing the buffer which of course would be
painful and slow, but presumably would happen rarely.
Hmmm... (first of all it is missing tail-room not head-room).
Second having all this extra size estimating code, and fallback options
leaves a very bad taste in my mouth... this sounds like a sure way to
kill performance.
I think it would be much better to keep this feature vs kill it and
make its configuration even more painful to get XDP working on virtio.
Based on you request, I'm going to fixing as much as possible of the
XDP code path in driver virtio_net... I now have 4 fix patches...
Thanks a lot!
There is no way around disabling XDP_REDIRECT in receive_mergeable(),
as XDP does not have a way to detect/know the "data_hard_end" of the
data "frame".
Disabling EWMA also seems reasonable to me.
To me, it seems more reasonable to have a separate RX function call
when an XDP program gets attached, and in that process change to the
memory model so it is compatible with XDP.
I would be OK with that but would be curious to see what Jason and
Michael think. When I original wrote the XDP for virtio support the
XDP infra was still primitive and we didn't have metadata, cpu maps,
etc.
Yes, that why cpumap fails.
yet. I suspect there might need to be some additional coordination
between guest and host though to switch the packet modes. If I recall
this was where some of the original trouble came from.
Maybe, but I think just have a separate refill function should be
sufficient? Then we could reuse the exist code to deal with e.g
synchronization.
Take a step back:
What is the reason/use-case for implementing XDP inside virtio_net?
From a DDoS/performance perspective XDP in virtio_net happens on the
"wrong-side" as it is activated _inside_ the guest OS, which is too
late for a DDoS filter, as the guest kick/switch overhead have already
occurred.
The hypervisor may not "know" how to detect DDOS if its specific to
the VMs domain. In these cases we aren't measuring pps but are looking
at cycles/packet. In this case dropping cycles/packet frees up CPU
for useful work. Here I expect we can see real CPU % drop in VM by
using XDP.
Well, my benchmarks show that the bottleneck is not the cycles spend or
save in RX code, but the bottleneck is in transitions into the
hypervistor/host-OS... specifically I tested that increasing the
guest/virtio_net NAPI-poll budget and avoid a emulated PCI-notify in
virtio_ring.c (vq->notify), then I get much much better numbers...
Interesting.
Yes, this sounds like a increasing of batched packets during TX.
Another thing that might come up in a bit is AF_XDP
in virtio. I suspect that is going to be a very interesting use
case for some folks. But, lots of things need to fall into place
before we get there.
Another point of view, the function of AF_XDP and
tap+vhost_net+XDP_REDIRECT looks rather similar. The only differences is
the API for userspace. It would be interesting to compare the
performance between them (non zerocopy mode).
Looks like there will be an Linux Plumbers Conference networking
track again. Maybe we should consider a virtualization session (BOF?)
if there is enough interest.
The other use case is once we have a fast path NIC to VM in kernel
we can expect, from you numbers below, 3+Mpps. I seem to remember
from Jason's netdevconf talk that he had some experimental numbers
that were even better. The other case is the hypervisor is not Linux
and is feeding packets even faster DPDK numbers, again from Jason's
slides, seemed to show 11+Mpps. XDP makes a lot of sense here IMO.
If the hypervisor schedule the guest better, or DPDK delivery setup
makes the guest busy-poll then sure, we are going to see better
numbers, and _then_ the cycles saved by XDP-ddos-drop will worth it.
(those specific pps numbers I pulled from memory but the point is
feeding many Mpps into a VM should be doable)
The last thing is we may see hardware VFs emulating virtio at some
point. Then XDP would be needed. With the newer virtio spec under
development my impression is the hardware emulation piece is becoming
more of a focus. But, someone actually working on that could probably
provide a more informed comment.
FYI, here a talk in last KVM forum about hardware virtio support:
https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/files/slides/KVM17%27-vDPA.pdf
I do use XDP_DROP inside the guest (driver virtio_net), but just to
perform what I can zoom-in benchmarking, for perf-record isolating the
early RX code path in the guest. (Using iptables "raw" table drop is
almost as useful for that purpose).
I suspect customers will eventually start using this in VMs for
real use cases once the infrastructure and capabilities mature and
kernel versions in deployed VMs catch up.
The XDP ndo_xdp_xmit in tuntap/tun.c (that you also implemented) is
significantly more interesting. As it allow us to skip large parts of
the network stack and redirect from a physical device (ixgbe) into a
guest device. Ran a benchmark:
- 0.5 Mpps with normal code path into device with driver tun
- 3.7 Mpps with XDP_REDIRECT from ixgbe into same device
Yep also very interesting but a different use case. This is accelerating
the hypervisor vswitch. The above is accelerating the VM domain.
Yes, you also brought this up above... IMHO as the first step we need
to accelerate Linux "hypervisor-vswitch" performance into the guest,
and afterwards we can add XDP optimizations inside the guest. (I do
acknowledge that another hypervisor than Linux might already have
solved this already, and that DPDK already have a faster delivery trick
into VMs/virtio ... but Linux needs this too).
I agree. I just want to avoid ripping out what we have in virtio if
it can be avoided by fixing issues. Looks like you were able to
fix the major issues at least!
As an aside I suspect looking at AF_XDP as a backend for virtio may
prove fruitful. But that is just a hunch I have zero data.
That would requires some work on vhost which assumes a sendmsg/revcmsg
API currently, I'm not sure whether or not we could do this easily. But
it would be very interesting.
Plus, there are indications that 3.7Mpps is not the real limit, as
guest CPU doing XDP_DROP is 75% idle... thus this is a likely a
scheduling + queue size issue.
The target I had in mind is about 6Mpps L2fwd tests.
I did another L2fwd test inside the guest, via XDP_REDIRECT, but that
was rather depressing...
The first trick to get more packets per sec than Linux can currently deliver
into a virtio_net device was to use input ixgbe and XDP_REDIRECT into a
tuntap/tun.c device's ndo_xdp_xmit() as described above I get approx 4Mpps.
10,609,516 pkt/s = RX ixgbe redirect into tun ndo_xdp_xmit()
4,063,029 pkt/s = Seen by XDP in guest trying to XDP_REDIRECT
1,327,469 pkt/s = Actual TX seen on another virtio_net device
1,469,671 pkt/s = Notice normal Linux forwarding (IpForwDatagrams)
Thus, the XDP_REDIRECT inside the guest is actually SLOWER than normal
Linux routing... It looks like the major cost or bottleneck lies in
virtnet_xdp_xmit (ndo_xdp_xmit). It seem that virtqueue_add() supports
sending more frames at a time, but virtnet_xdp_xmit() only send a
single frame.
Looks not AFAIK. It only supports adding one frame at a time.
I would try to pick some time to look at this.
Thanks
This would actually be a good argument for changing the
ndo_xdp_xmit API to support bulking...
More work :) But I don't see any reason, other than engineering effort,
it can't be made to work.
FWIW on the topic of xdp redirect it would be great if we can get the
redirect API in some shape so it can be consumed by other NIC driver.
Thanks for doing this though, interesting stuff.
Thanks,
John
