...Joel, I think this one's for you.
Your audience awaits.
Niels Voll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/10/99 01:42:35 PM
To:
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<netdynam
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: (bcc: Bruce Englar/IT/CF/CCI)
Subject: Re: [ND] Pseudonyms (was Re: [ND] AARGGGHHH - GartnerFlash
4/30/99)
:)
I think our beloved ND forum has just graduated into a real Newsgroup. Now
that
we have had:
- some anonymous/pseudonym posts,
- some newbie errors in etiquette,
- a bit of flaming,
- some semi-true and/or hearsay info
you've got to love it!
p.s. I'd still be very interested to get some reasonably official ND
reaction.
I think the original question seemed serious and appropriate, and unless
someone can ascertain, that the original Gartner quote is a fake, all loyal
ND
customers probably deserve a decent answer. The other stuff is just a bit
of
noise, misdirection, and chest thumping (quite amusing, but not
particularly
relevant).
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Englar [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:23 PM
To: Watch Dog
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ND] Pseudonyms (was Re: [ND] AARGGGHHH - GartnerFlash 4/30/99)
All --
Pseudonymous postings make me wonder why the sender won't sign their
name/affiliation.
(I have the same response to the news media's "unnamed sources".)
I'd give your opinion more weight, "Watch Dog", if I knew who you were.
...I also worry about people who refer to themselves in the third person.
British royalty included.
Finally, flames don't help the civil discussion of events -- or opinions.
My two cents.
-- Bruce Englar
(the usual caveat: these opinions are my own, not my employer's)
"Watch Dog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/10/99 07:29:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: (bcc: Bruce Englar/IT/CF/CCI)
Subject: Re: [ND] FW: [ND] AARGGGHHH - GartnerFlash 4/30/99
Shankar,
Kevin's original message was decent, and Kevins reply is decent too. The
Watch Dog appreciates.
What irritated the Watch Dog, which is normally impassionate and tries to
stay that way, was:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Try http://www.allaire.com
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from some BigFoot As If he was just waiting to hear something bad about
NetDynamics. As If he was out to take revenge on Netdynamics.
Kevin, if you say this is a civil way of responding to a respectable Forum,
the Watch Dog impassionately disagrees.
> > and then some people jumped down his throat.
WD feels you are being a little unreasonable here. One anonymous person
called him a troll. BF's provocation and this response cancels out
eachother. Then somebody else presented some facts which exposes
ColdFusion.
> > For the record it appears that the
> > Gartner information was misleading, and I believe SUN have asked
> > Gartner to retract.
So nice of you to bring this fact to the Forum. WD also wonders why there
was no response from ND/Sun. WD's guess is, they found the whole stuff too
"childish" to respond to.
Cheers,
WD
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shankar Roy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 6:01 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ND] AARGGGHHH - GartnerFlash 4/30/99
> >
> > I think Kelvin wanted to do good and some people don't want people to
>help
> > them.
> > I think we should encourage such messages.
> > Shankar.
> >
> >
> > Kevin Gray wrote:
> >
> > > "Watch Dog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Smells a rat somewhere..
> > > >
> > > >Isn't it curious that the fellow who was
> > > >
> > > >"going to rip my hair out"
> > > >
> > >
> > > That would be me. Are you trying to tell me that if you recieved
> > > this news flash from a respectable research company (Gartner),
> > > and your team had just started using this tool to do a fair amount of
> > web development that you wouldn't be slightly concerned?
> > > Would you also not feel you had a duty to inform other people in the
> > > user community that there may be lots of change ahead? Well that
> > > is what this forum is about - sharing information that others
> > > would find useful. If you care to view my postings, you will find
> > > that I have never mentioned ColdFusion (except just now). I am
> > > just trying to be helpful! For the record it appears that the
> > > Gartner information was misleading, and I believe SUN have asked
> > > Gartner to retract.
> > >
> > > >The WatchDog doen't remember seeing any of them in the Forum before,
> > except
> > > >the BigFoot man who appeared once, mistakenly thinking some
reference
> > Joel
> > > >made about Object Fusion was about his darling, ColdFusion.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you read the thread properly, someone posted an article asking
> > > what people's views were on a comparision between ColdFusion and
> > > NetDynamics was. Asif simply replied to this posting in a very civil
> > manner, and then some people jumped down his throat. Maybe
> > > thats why he's got a bit of a bee in his bonnet now.
> > >
> > > Kevin.
> > > (Views are solely mine and not my company's)
> >
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