On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:05:33AM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 09:53:03AM -0400, Ramin Alidousti wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 01:27:41PM +0000, Francisco Alfonso Martinez Lopez wrote:
> 
> 
> > > Hi everybody,how I can denied smurf atacks over my host,it's a single 
> > > connection to Internet,any possibilitie of denied smurf atack on the 
> > > firewall?(my host execute dual boot:suse linux&windows)
> 
> > What exactly do you mean by "smurf attack"? Let us know and
> > the rules will follow...
> 
>       A smurf attack is a spoofed ICMP packet (or possibly UDP packet,
> but ICMP ECHO is the classic form) directed to a network broadcast address
> and spoofed to be from the target.  The result is a flood of packets
> from all the responding hosts hitting the target and potentially overwhelming
> his bandwidth.  This is often referred to as smurf amplification and the
> exploitable network referred to as a smurf amplifier.
> 
>       The prevention is to block directed (that is routed over a router)
> broadcasts.  If he only has a single host with a single IP address, I don't
> see how smurf affects him.  He could refuse to respond to any incoming
> requests which are addressed to the broadcast address of the network

or originating from a broadcast source which make you participate
in the attack (where you become the bad guy)...

> to which he's connected.  That would be a valid action on, say, a cable
> modem where you are a member of a network.  But it only eliminates that
> one IP address from participating.  I don't think it would be meaningful
> if it were a dialup to an ISP where you just have a point to point
> connection, though.

See above.

> 
>       The correct solution needs to be applied at the final (local)
> router, though.  That is the device which should block any incoming
> packets directed at the local broadcast address from outside of the
> network.  Outside of that router, you can't reliably determine what
> constitutes the local broadcast address and it's the single point where
> external attacks can be stopped for the entire network.

Excellent. By this definition, I think it's doable to come up with
rules to minimize the affects of this kind of attack.

BTW, the reason I asked the original poster for his definition of this
term was that I had the feeling that he'd heard the term but didn't know
what it was and was only looking for a off-the-shelf rule set. It sounded
like "how can I set up a firewall" or "how can I protect my network from
bad guys". If I was wrong about this assumption, my apologies to the
original poster :-)

Ramin

> > > Thanks in advance,folks!!(...and sorry for my english)
> > > 
> > > 
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