Hi,

So this is the test that is supposed to replace 5.8, para 7:

   It is acceptable to reuse the same revision statement within
   unpublished versions (i.e., Internet-Drafts), but the revision date
   MUST be updated to a higher value each time the Internet-Draft is re-
   posted.


IMO the new text is worse.

I like the suggestion to define "published" and "unpublished"
to have the semantics defined in RFC 2026.



Andy

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:08 AM, William Lupton <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks. Of course I am fine with this suggestion. This gives:
>
> NEW:
>
> It is not required to keep the full revision history of draft versions
> (e.g., modules contained within Internet-Drafts). That is, within a
> sequence of draft versions, only the most recent revision need be recorded
> in the module. However, if the module has changed, the revision date of the
> most recent revision MUST be updated to a later date whenever a new version
> is made available (e.g., via a new version of an Internet-Draft).
>
> > On 18 Aug 2016, at 13:21, Ladislav Lhotka <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > William Lupton <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Kent, all,
> >>
> >> OK :). I will take Lada’s update to my Monday text as a baseline and
> will give my proposed new text without further ado, followed by rationale.
> >>
> >> BASELINE:
> >>
> >> It is not required to keep the revision history of unpublished versions
> (e.g., Internet-Drafts). That is, within a sequence of unpublished
> versions, only the most recent revision MAY be recorded in the module or
> submodule. However, the revision date of the most recent revision MUST be
> updated to a higher value each time a new version (e.g., of the
> Internet-Draft) is posted.
> >>
> >> NEW:
> >>
> >> It is not required to keep the full revision history of draft versions
> >> (e.g., modules contained within Internet-Drafts). That is, within a
> >> sequence of draft versions, only the most recent revision need be
> >> recorded in the module. However, if the module has changed, the
> >> revision date of the most recent revision MUST be updated to a higher
> >> value whenever a new version is made available (e.g., via a new
> >> version of an Internet-Draft).
> >
> > I like this text. Perhaps "a higher value" could be replaced with "a
> > later date"?
> >
> > Lada
> >
> >>
> >> ——
> >>
> >> The main comments and suggestions on the baseline text were:
> >> Why say MAY rather than MUST? Suggestion to say “need” to avoid
> difficulty with “only” and “MAY”.
> >> Should be more precise re the difference between a draft and a module
> contained within a draft.
> >> Should allow or encourage the module revision date to be bumped only if
> the YANG has changed (or on the containing draft becoming a standard).
> >> Discussion of “published” / “posted” etc., and their meanings in an
> IETF context.
> >> Support for the principle that the text should be both general
> (applying to all organisations) and specific (applying to IETF) and note
> that IETF-specific text should be parenthesised.
> >> Assertion that all publicly-available “adopted” modules (whether draft
> or standard) must bump revision dates if the YANG changes.
> >>
> >> Here are a few notes to forestall some of your possible comments:
> >> I didn’t mention submodules, because of the generic (Section 2.3) note
> that “module” means “module or submodule” unless specifically discussing
> submodules.
> >> I didn’t mention RFC publication as a special case (revision date MUST
> be unconditionally updated) because this paragraph is only about drafts. I
> assume that requirements governing modules in RFCs are already covered
> elsewhere.
> >> I hope that I avoided IETF-emotive terms outside the parentheses, e.g I
> used the terms “draft” and “made available”.
> >> I nearly added “statement” as in “revision date of the most recent
> revision statement”. I would certainly be happy with that change.
> >> I don’t really like “higher value” because that makes it sounds like a
> numeric value. However, no-one has commented on this and I guess it’s
> unambiguous. So let fido sleep on.
> >>
> >> Comments?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> William
> >>
> >>> On 16 Aug 2016, at 19:02, Kent Watsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi William,
> >>>
> >>> Do you want to take a stab on consolidating on the comments into new
> proposed draft-text?  - there were two proposals put out before, and a
> number of refinements since, but I’m unsure which were picked up or not.
> Since you raised this issue originally, if would be helpful to get your
> current take on it.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Kent
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