On 2019-07-17 14:34, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
Its the first half of the sentence in my copy of RFC 7950.
It believe that there is a problem with English language both in Qin's
understanding of the original text (which is correct also in my
opinion) and in his explanation of his (mis)understanding...
I propose to reject this errata.
I agree, in particular since the suggested change is IMHO no actual
improvement. It seems the problem is in understanding the "subject to"
construct, which is perhaps not obvious to *all* non-native English
readers, but I can't think of a replacement that wouldn't result in an
unecessarily complex text.
/js
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:02:21PM +0000, Qin Wu wrote:
Hi, Juergen and Rob:
The condition to apply " Leading and trailing zeros are prohibited ",is the second half
sentence, i.e.,"there MUST be at least one digit before and after the decimal point".
It seems that you have it almost backwards... "The rule is A subject
to the rule B" means that rule A should be applied, except when it
will violate rule B.
One digit before the decimal point and one digit after the decimal point at the
same time cover 0.5000000?, I still don't get it.
It's a very good example. With unconditional application of "Leading
and trailing zeros are prohibited", we end up with .5 - but then we
violate "there MUST be at least one digit before and after the decimal
point", so we need to back out the removal of the leading zero, and
end up with 0.5.
Maybe I am wrong, but this is not a big deal.
Hopefully the above helps...
--Per
-Qin
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The text starts with the general case and says "Leading and trailing zeros are
prohibited", which seems to cover 0.50000000 (which must be represented as 0.5.
/js
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 09:42:38AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote:
I realized my proposed changes also have some flaw and may need to be tweaked.
My question is should trailing zeros in 0.50000 be allowed? I didnt see the
original text prohibit this.
Yes, the original text is correct, but it excludes some exception cases, such
as 0.500000000 , if my understanding is correct.
Ñöº: Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:[email protected]]
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Hi Qin,
I also find the current RFC text quite understandable and correct.
The and is required to disallow .0 and 0. as valid canonical forms. I.e.
in the canonical form there MUST always be at least one digit (which could be
0) before the decimal point and then must be at least one digit (which could be
0) after the decimal point. Otherwise, there must be no leading or trailing
0s. So, none of .0 , 0. , 00.0 , 0.00 and 00.00 are in the canonical
form, and should be represented as 0.0 instead; similarly none of .1 , 1. ,
01.0 , 1.00 and 01.00 are in the canonical form and should be represented
as 1.0 instead.
Thanks,
Rob
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Subject: [netmod] T
: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (5784)
Understand, the problem lies at "and" that is used in " one digit before and after the decimal point
", that is to say it only focus on the case that has two digits, one is before decimal point, the other digit is
after decimal such as "5.06", but doesn't cover the case where "one digit before or after the decimal
point ", thats why I think the case 0.500000 is not covered. We should prohibit trailing zeros in 0.5000000 .
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The text starts with the general case and says "Leading and trailing zeros are
prohibited", which seems to cover 0.50000000. The text then handles the special rule
that there needs to be at least one digit before and after the decimal point. I think all
is fine.
/js
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:11:41AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote:
What about "0.50000000"? based on original text, is it legal or illegal?
It seem original text exclude the case where one digit before or after the
decimal point?
-Qin
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I do not see why the original text makes 0.5 or 0.0 illegal.
/js
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 08:52:52PM -0700, RFC Errata System wrote:
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, "The
YANG
1.1 Data Modeling Language".
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You may review the report below and at:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5784
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Type: Technical
Reported by: Qin WU
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Section: 9.3.2
Original Text
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Leading and trailing zeros are prohibited, subject to the rule
that
there MUST be at least one digit before and after the decimal point.
The value zero is represented as "0.0".
Corrected Text
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Leading zeros before the first digit and trailing zeros after the
last digit are prohibited, subject to the rule that there MUST be
at
least one digit before and after the decimal point. The value
zero
is represented as "0.0".
Notes
-----
Based on the rule in the orginal text, the value such as "0.5","0.0" is
illegal. So I think the intention of the original text is to make sure the leading zeros before the
first digit and the trailing zero after the last digit are prohibited.
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RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14)
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Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language
Publication Date : August 2016
Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, Ed.
Category : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source : Network Modeling
Area : Operations and Management
Stream : IETF
Verifying Party : IESG
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