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From: Andy Bierman <[email protected]> Sent: 20 January 2021 18:32 On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 8:41 AM tom petch <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Juergen, Lada, Martin, Andy I wonder if one of you, or perhaps another on this list, would be willing to give advice on the structuring of the YANG module for DHCP. It has been revised and restructured several times and, to me, is not progressing. It models three roles - client, server, relay - and a dozen optional function which can appear in one or more roles. A node will likely have only one role but may have many options. There are, at present, seven modules server which defines a server identity based on common identity inter alia relay which defines relay identity ditto client which defines client identity ditto server options which has groupings for each option for a server client options which has groupings for each option for a relay relay options which has groupings for each option for a client common which defines the common identity inter alia Since options are common across roles, some groupings are replicated in the three options modules. Three separate option modules were created to avoid problems with imports as Ian explains below. The I-D is draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-yang My take is that one module is best, using 'when' or if-feature to select, which is what I see with OSPF, PCE, TCP, IGMP and almost everything else but am struggling to convince others, especially the author Ian. [IF] in the e-mail extract below I suggested asking a YANG Doctor, NOT to look at the module but rather to advise on a structure given the requirements to which Ian said that he had not had much joy with YANG Doctors. I append our most recent exchange in which he responds to my query as to why there are seven modules; formatting is a bit of a mess I am afraid. The posts are to the DHCWG mail list. Any advice appreciated even if it is that Ian is on just the right track! Either approach is valid so multi-module vs. single module w/ features is more of an overall system maintenance issue. 7 modules seems like a lot for DHCP but I have no objective criteria to back that up. There is some confusion about the import-stmt, which leads to many YANG modules. In compiler terms, importing a module merely makes the symbols available for parsing in the current module. The import-stmt implies no conformance requirements whatsoever. Only statements that use the imported module can do that. (So a server module importing a module that has client groupings is not actually a problem.) <tp> Andy, Juergen, Thank you for the replies. What Ian said about the import is > [IF] The separation of the option modules came at a later stage based on > import dependencies of a single options module. When the options module > imports the client/server/relay modules so it can augment the relevant module > based on identity, an implementation also needs to import these modules and > will declare them in it’s capabilities as available even though it doesn’t > implement them. Dividing the options modules avoids the need for deviations. <tp> that is, the prefix for dhcpv6-server is defined in the server module, module ietf-dhcpv6-server { ... prefix "dhcpv6-server"; ... identity server { base "dhcpv6-common:dhcpv6-node"; description "DHCPv6 server identity."; } leaf dhcpv6-node-type { type identityref { base "dhcpv6-common:dhcpv6-node"; } description "Type for a DHCPv6 server."; } and the prefix for dhcpv6-relay in the relay module etc so having a single module for options which needs to augment options to the server module needs to import the server module so that the dhcpv6-server prefix is defined, ditto relay and client so the single module for options then imports server and relay and client modules. With three options modules, each only imports one of server, relay, client but the groupings are then replicated across the three options modules. Logical if you agree with the initial premise (which I do not!). The seven YANG modules are all in the one I-D of 56pp with the tree diagrams 12pp. Tom Petch (on European time:-( YANG Conformance for a single module is better defined than for multiple related modules. The YANG Packages work could fix that someday. Tom Petch Andy On 19/01/2021 11:25, tom petch wrote: > ________________________________________ > From: dhcwg <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf > of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: 19 January 2021 07:37 > > Thanks for your comments. Please see inline below. > > Ian > > On 14. Jan 2021, at 13:40, t petch > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > Ian > > I do not understand this I-D; I have tracked it for a number of years and my > understanding of it is diminishing. > > Currently, it is seven YANG modules: why? > > [if - The separation into client/server/relay, and DHCP options has been in > the draft since -05 and the changes were presented and discussed at IETF101 - > I’ve described the reasoning for this split in the next answer. Beyond that, > the common module was added to avoid (well reduce as you point out below) > duplication. > > The separation of the option modules came at a later stage based on import > dependencies of a single options module. When the options module imports the > client/server/relay modules so it can augment the relevant module based on > identity, an implementation also needs to import these modules and will > declare them in it’s capabilities as available even though it doesn’t > implement them. Dividing the options modules avoids the need for deviations. > > Even though there are 7 modules defined here, the likely hood is that an > element implementation would require 3 modules to be implemented (e.g. > client, common and client options).] > > [tp] Other WG have models with multiple roles and many options and have a > single YANG module, using the features of YANG to tailor the module to > different configurations. > > [if - It’s not really tailoring the module to different configurations, they > are for the most part separate functional elements in the network with any > device only implementing one of the client, relay or server functions. > > However, even in the case that a device is both a server and a client (e.g. a > home gateway with a client on the WAN and a server on the LAN), the > likelihood is that these will be done using different software > implementations, so having separate modules for server and client offers > implementation flexibility. > > In the case of a monolithic module with the relevant client/relay/server > functionality enabled by features, the module would do nothing unless one or > more of the features was enabled, and Is unlikely that you’d ever enable more > than one. Is this approach used by other WGs? Could you point me to some some > examples as I've only seen features been used as relatively small optional > extensions used when the bulk of the nodes are common?] [tp] Ian Almost all the YANG models I know of are single module. For example, draft-ietf-ospf-yang supports two versions modelled as identity and 28 options modelled as features. draft-ietf-tcpm-yang supports client and server as containers with if-feature and has other features as well draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-yang supports five versions of two protocol using identity draft-pce-pcep-yang offers the roles of pcc or pce or both using typedef. And so on and so on. if-feature, when and suchlike provide the necessary customisation. I think that your problems with options are because the identity are defined in the wrong place. The base, the common module (or part of the one and only module) should define what is common, what everyone needs; if there are three roles and a dozen options, than that is where they need to be defined. Then there can be an object which is configured with the roles of a particular box, client or server or relay, or if required, a combination of the there - simpler if that is out of scope as you suggest. My starting point would be a dhc container with a leaf for a role and then containers for client, relay, server, added by augment and controlled by when pointing at the role. I will post something to the netmod WG list - there are lots of people there with greater exposure than mine who can give better guidance than I. Tom Petch > Here you have modelled the options as YANG grouping. The intent of a grouping > is to provide a block of statements that can be reused so avoiding > duplication with the attendant problems. Here you have the same grouping in > triplicate in three different YANG modules which seems to me to be the > antithesis of a grouping. > > [If - We could move the option definitions for "status-code-option-group” > (client, server, relay) and “rapid-commit-option-group, > vendor-specific-information-option-group; reconfigure-accept-option-group” > (client, server) into the common module to resolve the duplication. I didn’t > do this previously as the intention was to keep options definitions in the > options modules for consistency, but it would be simple to change. ] > > [tp] Likewise I find the specification of server v client v relay unusual. > > [If - A similar approach for separated client/server modules is also used in > RFC8676, where the client and server have discrete function, as with DHCP.] > > [tp]I wonder if it is worth consulting a YANG doctor, NOT to show them the > YANG and invite comments, rather outline in an abstract way what it is you > want to model and see what they suggest; that might well be a single YANG > module. > > [if - Yes, I’d be happy to. Is there someone that you have in mind (I’ve not > had much luck with getting YANG doctor input outside of the formal review > process in the past)?. I’m not opposed to changing the way that the modules > are structured on principal, I do however, think that the separation by > functional element is logical and simpler for implementers, and I would like > to know what the benefits of a single module (or other structure) might be.] > > [tp]I do have quite a number of detailed comments but do not think them worth > making until the I-D seems to me more stable. > > [if - It’d be great if you could supply them as well so I can start going > though them and fixing what’s currently fixable in parallel to the discussion > above.] > > Tom Petch > > On 07/01/2021 16:10, > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Hi Tom, > _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
