Well, I have real hardware, I have a lot of it in my vicinity actually. I have
my Desktop, A 2004 Desktop, An HTC One X, An HP Laptop, A Macbook, My
Grandmother's iMac, My mom's Macbook Pro, Four routers (I'm not sure if they
are open wrt compatible, I have searched for three extensively, And they are
not listed anywhere) An iPod touch 4G and two iPhones (One is bricked I think)
Both first or second generation. I have more machines, Though I doubt they
could run netsukuku, A PS3, A Wii, And a PS2. (These are the only consoles I
have that I know have WiFi or Ethernet capabilities.
All of these machines can connect in a real world setting, They all can connect
via WiFi, And or Ethernet. This is a large number of very very different
machines, I could do quite a lot of testing with them. This is just me, Yussi
has multiple routers, He must have multiple computers as well, At least one.
Everyone else on here obviously has one computer at the very least to
communicate with. We could do a lot of real world testing via close range means
without the use of internet tunnels.
To be honest though, Luca, Netsukuku is small, And will take a long time to
grow. I have a D.S, And PSP, And when EVER I have EVER used them at all, Even
when they were first released, And tried the local options. Like the D.S
PitcoChat (I live in a city, I have even done this in Air Ports) There was not
a SINGLE other person to be found in range, On any channel. And this is an
extremely popular device, In very public places with A LOT of people, And
children. The same is true with the local discovery on torrents, Or ANY
application on my smart phone related to anything local.
My point is, I think it will be a VERY long time when "real world" means
connecting to another node via WiFi. To be perfectly frank, Real world
netsukuku connections will be through internet tunnels for a very long time. It
is just not popular enough for even one other person to be within range, Even
if anyone is, Which is very very rare, It would only be one other node. Which
is not very useful, Because of this, I think testing netsukuku through internet
tunnels, And simplifying the process is vastly more important than doing so
with local nodes.
I have nothing against local nodes, I think the survivability of netsukuku is
amazing. If there were to be a disaster of some kind, If they internet were to
be censored heavenly, or disabled as it was so in Egypt I think, In some way.
We would very much require local nodes, We would very much require to connect
to each other through wifi and smart phones and so on. We would require to make
neighborhoods into hubs for netsukuku. We would require means of storing
messages if we could not contact certain other nodes, As some Android apps
allow you to do. Like this one
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hubski/tin-can-text-messages-without-the-internet
Even then, To be honest though, Most nodes would probably connect through
packet radios. If the internet was not disabled, and just censored, We could
still probably use it for tunnels as well.
I will read this paper, Also, I think it would be useful if we could merge that
one project that uses netsukuku into our own. Giving us extra developers. By
the way, The Sub-Reddit has seventy five users as of now. It has received over
a thousand page views, And over six hundred unique page views. It has a daily
mean of thirty nine page views, And twelve uniques. This has been increasing
quite dramatically, Just a few days ago it was ten uniques per day. A lot of
people are finding us, People who have known us in the past, People who use the
netsukuku code, Developers, People who are interested, People who advertise. A
lot of people are finding us, And it is increasing over time. Especially as
they tell their friends, I hardly believe it is generic. We are really
establishing our own community here.
We do need to foster our community, We do need to be more active. I do have
friends who very much wish to help, And are actually learning to program as we
speak in order to do so. Do you have any more precise time when you will be
able to help more Luca? A week? A month?
Anyway, Thank you for reading! *hugs*
________________________________
From: Luca Dionisi <[email protected]>
To: Netsukuku discussion list <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:29:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Netsukuku] Is anyone free to advance netsukuku?
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Valeska Grim <[email protected]> wrote:
Is anyone free to advance netsukuku in any way?
Yes, anyone is free to do it because it is free software. Wait... you didn't
mean that.
To program, To test, To
advertise in any way? I'm kinda sad about the level of activity
recently, And I really want to get something done. I've tried testing,
But, I don't really know what to do at this point. No one really posts
on the sub-reddit, And not that many people from here have joined the
IRC either. Though, The sub-reddit is growing, And the IRC does have a
bunch of people in it. Not that many people talk though, it's generally
fairly quiet. Anyway, *hugs* Thank you for reading!
>
>
>
Welcome to real world!
In my opinion, for first we need to have a
stable code runnable on routers, and vala is the path but it's not there
yet. I won't have enough free time to resume my activity, till the
summer.
Second thing (after first thing is done): we need someone to test it in
order to have stats of the reliability, otherwise it will be hard to
convince any community to adopt it. The tests I'm talking about are real
world use cases, I mean people with real hardware living in proximity,
not internet tunnels.
Until we get there, the generic audience of a reddit page are useless, IMHO.
Maybe I am wrong.
Read (or read again, or study) the paper of Alpt about The Address Space
Balancing Problem
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~al565/output/teorie/netos/mesh/scalable-mesh-networks-and-the-address-space-balancing-problem-thesis-andrea-lo-pumo.pdf
It's definitely not a futile exercise if you want to be of some help to
netsukuku at its current state.
Then,
you could search and spot the fundamental points of that paper in the
current implementation of netsukuku (the python or the vala one, they're
quite the same) and so you have become a precious netsukuku hacker.
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:46 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm starting to work on netsukuku with one other person; the aim of our
work is to fix the source code and provide a flexible abstraction to
work on more platforms.
>
>The other side of our project is related to deploy netsukuku in a large area.
>
>This and other things are all related to our project, called 'project
persistence'. Aim of PP is to provide solutions to create autonomous
nets (temporary or permanent) to avoid censorship. We're starting a wiki
to collect all material, it's only in italian at the moment
http://www.autistici.org/persistence/
>
>
It sounds interesting. Two people is not a big crowd, but it's megl' che one (
= is a good start )
--Luca
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