hi! as was said before wikipedia is working with 'received' truth that i not always a feasible model -- one virgin poster makes the case that the mainstream media is manipulating the truth! look also for references to Indymedia in the text.
ps: this is a part from the Talk: page of the Griots article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2008_Greek_riots maxigas --8k--{snip..snip..}--8k-- Lykos667, please add citations for the things you posted. Even though they are probably true, they are just speculations. PervyPirate (talk) 16:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC) Greek Indymedia follows strictly the views of anarchists and far-leftists and is therefore not a credible source on the matter. 79.103.187.216 (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC) All views shall be presented, even indymedia. Btw, BBC is also possitively oriented towards rightists; and this is evident by the content of its articles. It keeps saying "anarchists", although citizens and students of every ideology are furious with the incident that triggered the protests, and have taken part in them. Hectorian (talk) 19:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC) People who randomly burn down apartment buildings and stores kind of are anarchists, and their actions have no valid connection to what the police did or are doing. 88.112.161.124 (talk) 12:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC) PervyPirate, would you list the points that you feel need citations? As well as the type of citations needed. If you are looking for citations from right-wing oriented sources, for instance, that would be indeed hard to get. If you are looking for citations from official police investigations that incriminate the police in the matter of illegitimate assistance, that would also be quite hard to find... If you would be satisfied with video's that may serve as evidence that support the "speculations", there may be a few on the internet and I will try to seek them out. Again, these would have to be accompanied by a brief, disputable, explanation. For instance, there is a video of the burning of the memorial to the unknown soldier in Athens during a protest, where hooded individuals clearly seperated from the protesters attack the memorial in full view and easy reach of the by-standing police forces, which do absolutely nothing. Would this be satisfactory as evidence? Furthermore, in reference to the objection on citing an article on Indymedia, if one care's to actually read the article, one will discover that it has a name attached to it, and it is that of a University Professor. It is simply hosted on Indymedia. Please forgive my sloppiness in the ways of the wiki, this is actually the first thing I've ever posted. I felt I had to because your original post seemed to imply that the events that led to the shooting were initiated by rampaging in the Exarcheia area, which not only was completely unsupported by local news but lacks credibility since the area in question is considered home to those that your post denotes as the rampagers. Since then your post has been updated and this flaw has been removed. Nevertheless, I believe events are interpreted based on a background. The background always exists. It seems to me that the background is formed through social dissemination of information. The mass media is the main disseminator. All I did was to post information that is not widely advertised through mass media. Therefore, I understand the need for stating that my post needs some sort of supporting evidence, but I do not think it should be cropped, as this leads to a cropped conveyance = no conveyance of this view. It should be removed alltogether, or left as is while the supporting citations are being found. Lykos667 (talk) 11:54, December 7, 2008. ???Preceding unsigned comment added by Likos667 (talk ??? contribs) 21:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC) --8k--{snip..snip..}--8k-- # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected]
