Mark!  I am digging this discussion.  Although you imply that I don't know 
enough to have an intelligent conversation, I know you just got that line from 
Eric Li at Party HQ.

;-P

I don't think one needs a PhD in eastern philosophy to discuss Tiananmen 
Square, or the banning of Facebook.  In fact, that's obscurantism bordering on 
apologism.  At the very least it's a kind of academic technocracy.

I suppose I should ask, what is the purpose of the elections in China, if not 
for Democracy?  Are they kind of like the quack "alternative medicine" gurus 
who denounce the medical system while still wearing a lab coat, knowing that 
the soothing effect of these symbols of legitimacy make the patient more 
gullible?
 
When Sparta and Athens had their rhetorical battles it was always Democracy 
versus Authoritarianism.  I repeat:  that much is not new to the CIA or the 
Soviet Union.  Even the American Revolution put "Representation" against the 
"Tyranny" of George III.

Instead of me going to school for four years, maybe you could explain how 
either the banning of Facebook or the crushing of dissent at Tiananmen embodies 
the concept of Shi?  I'm not being sarcastic, I'd seriously like to hear it.

I mean, the supreme legitimacy of the "Communist Party" is supposed to 
originate in some primordial sino-specific soup?  Doesn't the C-word come from, 
I don't know, Europe maybe?  Even though they have "communism with Chinese 
characteristics," as it was officially called...

Might as well claim that China has a different form of feminism which, to our 
Eurocentric eyes, might appear to be patriarchal oppression of women, but you 
just need to understand them, man.

"Zheng Ming" might be more useful here than "Shi."  That is, things must be 
called by their proper names.

In my opinion, banning Facebook is partly just economic protectionism.  But to 
hear the people I met, it's important to prevent TOO much free speech!  Did any 
of the people you met in the street criticize the Communist Party?

Yes, people can travel and they do return.  Certainly there is a part of the 
middle class who aren't terrified of the Chinese government, and perhaps feel 
very secure as members in good standing of the CPC, just as there is a giant 
segment of the Western middle class which is painfully clueless about the 
violence of Capitalism. But it's also possible that individual travellers can 
be held accountable by loved ones remaining behind.

But in any case, massively banning speech is not acceptable, "Shi" or no "shi." 
 China is not Cuba, beset on all sides by well-funded 'outside agitators' and a 
looming US military industrial complex with slavering jaws.  Quite the opposite.

Also, my definition of a dictatorship includes any place that makes you go 
through customs on the way out as well as the way in.  I've gone through a lot 
of borders. ;-)

- Flick

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