I'm afraid you may be right, that the closed system is so entrenched
   that it utterly negated the possibility of an open system.  Tesla made
   a lot of designs open-souce last year, and I have seen no effect from
   that at all, in spite of demand for electric and hybrid vehicles being
   very high.


   On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 11:14 AM, John Hopkins

   <jhopk...@neoscenes.net> wrote:

     This is the way the industry always works when closed-source. This event
     should remind everyone (and especially consumer associations) how
     important is to have the industry release its software open-source, down
     to the firmware and hardware. This must be an imperative especially for

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