On Sep 25, 2015, at 2:01 PM, t byfield <[1]tbyfi...@panix.com> wrote:

        So, right there, VW diesel owners have a pretty ironclad case for what
        boils down to speculative financial compensation: the difference
        between what the cars 'would have been worth' if this flaw hadn't been
        exposed and what they *are* worth -- which is zero, if only because no
        one in their right mind would buy one (and in many cases reale may now
        be forbidden by law).

   I wouldn't say that. For whatever reason I haven't heard or read
   anything about the actual impact to the driver in terms of what the
   performance will be like if they do repair/replace in-field.

   I've heard people say it was to make VW cars drive better and perform
   better but nobody ever seems to quantify that. Is it simply a net loss
   of bhp? Torque? Idle hesitation? What's the problem with these cars if
   they are in compliance with regulations?

   And how has this not turned into a grassfire that sucks up all VW
   brands? Audi has TDI engines too. Porsche might offer a diesel turbo
   Cayenne? Seat surely has a few diesels potentially impacted?

   I think it's likely every car manufacturer is engaged in similar
   behavior. If it's handled like the corruption and dishonesty in the
   financial sector I'm sure we'll all be just fine.

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