Hi all, Felix, allthough I generally agree with you in both points, „Even" I as a woman think that the suspicion about a gender-related motivation was a Bit of a poor stunt. (Men mostly use this as an argument when trying to discredit Other men whose opinions they don’t share or whose territories they wish to annex.)
But not even the question around violence as a valid means of resistance seems to be the Crucial point here. Much more worrysome to me is the fact that someone does actually believe he can gain Credits on nettime mailing list, by calling for a fully analogue kind of protest. So I need to ask: Are the tendencies in these group so clear-cut anti-internet meanwhile that all hope is lost? Is everyone so stuck in the shock about the lack of fulfilment of their dreams from the 90s that they’ve given up and succumbed to a pessimism which - instead of looking for new options - Is mostly consisting of reactive analyses to acts of (simply spoken) those in charge and having Professionalized their expertise in the field for the education market? Seriously wondering, Hints welcome. Best N. > Am 14.06.2018 um 12:22 schrieb Alexandre Carvalho <[email protected]>: > > > Dear Felix; > > > I appreciate the reply. And will attempt to debunk your answer that > collective self-defense is wrong in many levels. > > First with equating resistance with the extreme violence that this system, > everyday, employes to keep everything and everyone in their place. It is a > privileged position, one that claims to derive from a reading of historical > record, when actually history tells us that only a people that is untammed > and ungovernable will shake the foundations of the oppressive systems that > hold their spirit hostage. > > There is one book that, for its small size, impressed me on the numerous ways > it turns the tables around on this issue. “How-non violence protects the > state” by Peter Gelderloos. The author makes a strong point how pacifism is > the same as “pacified”, controllable, and ultimately innefective. > > Chapter 5 is poetry. Here in audiobook form: > > https://youtu.be/fbNlCfd72a4 <https://youtu.be/fbNlCfd72a4> > > But the best argument against this position you hold, since to you it comes > from a position of misogyny, is by a woman of “color, poor and peripheral”, > in her own words. It is a short movie 🎥 that was screened at the 2018 NYC > Anarchist Bookfair this past weekend called “MEU NOME E SIMONE”. She makes a > great argument for collective self defense and fearlessness and lays out a > critique of capital and the state from below. Here it is: > > https://youtu.be/GeBevnhsK4Y <https://youtu.be/GeBevnhsK4Y> > > Otherwise, much love, and good luck with the petition. > > A. > > > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 5:13 AM Felix Stalder <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Hi Alexandre, > > my reply is late, because I was busy and hoped that someone else would > reply, but nobody has and nettime is the home of the slow it's still > time say something. > > I think your mail was exceptionally wrong. On numerous levels. > > First, it was a classic example of some guy feeling entitled to > take a piss at a women who is vastly more competent than he is. And this > within a space where the gender balance is already extremely, well, > unbalanced. So, that's radical. > > Second, you don't seem to understand politics as we move into a more > authoritarian realities. The state, and the elites, like street-level > violence, because it makes it easy to brand their opponents as ' > anti-social' or 'terrorists' and bring out the full force of the > militarized state to crush them under the applause of a fearful majority. > > Third, leaving random calls for violence in public fora is potentially > really harmful, not just for you but to the wider range of people > involved in the specific forum. > > > Felix > > > > On 2018-06-10 11:56, Alexandre Carvalho wrote: > > > > > > Online petitions do shitz. > <...> > > -- > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://felix.openflows.com > <http://felix.openflows.com/> > |OPEN PGP: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=0x0C9FF2AC > <https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=0x0C9FF2AC> > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > <http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l> > # archive: http://www.nettime.org <http://www.nettime.org/> contact: > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > -- > Sent from my subjectivity > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
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