This. Morlock, come back to us.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 6:54 PM tbyfield <tbyfi...@panix.com> wrote: > Angela, all — > > Felix Stalder and I are the two people who've consistently moderated the > list for the last twenty years. We don't speak for each other, but for > my part the simple and straightforward answer to your question is no: > nettime will not give fascists a platform from which to recruit. If I > see something that clearly crosses any of those lines — there are a > few bundled up in there — I'll stop it first and then we can all > debate whether that was the right thing to do and how to proceed. > > In general, Felix and I have avoided laying down any clearly defined > policies at all. While the list isn't what it used to be, the fact that > it's lasted this long suggests that's been a prudent approach. Times are > changing, but I haven't seen anything on the list that seemed to justify > changing that. If you or anyone else see something that seems to cross a > clear line, please say so — on the list or privately, whichever you > prefer. > > I assume your question was promoted in part by Bard. Personally, I think > he's a troll. As I said a few days ago, whenever I see his mail my first > reaction is "When's the new book coming out?" — and not because I have > the slightest interests in his wanking. Felix took a more oblique > approach in the same thread ("Complexity and nostalgia," 3 Nov). That's > generally how we've tried to moderate: openly on the list rather than > behind the scenes, and by nudging discussions rather than cutting people > off. We did briefly discuss intervening more directly but decided not to > — yet. But as to your more general question, I'd rather just flip the > bit and moderate Bard on the grounds that he behaves like an asshole > than concoct a formal definition of assholism and then apply that rule > to him retroactively. Nettime has lots of failings, but Bard-like > behavior isn't one of them. > > One useful parallel in this context is Morlock Elloi, who stopped > contributing when someone threw a tantrum about his contributions to the > list. I think nettime is a much poorer place for his absence, but > whatever you or anyone else may think of his contributions, note well: > when someone objected, he stopped. Bard, by contrast, fuels negativity > and feeds off it — and the list is a much poorer place for his > presence. > > Cheers, > Ted > > On 4 Nov 2018, at 1:12, Angela Mitropoulos wrote: > > > It is a simple and straightforward question that I would like > > answered. It > > makes no inferences about whether recruitment is effective, or even > > deliberate rather than aesthetic. But I'm grateful for the evidence > > you've > > furnished, dear, about the way in which women are told to calm down > > and > > shut up, no matter the tone they take, so that those who think women > > and > > black people are less than human and not entitled to take up space can > > keep > > ranting on at length about how everyone other than white guys are less > > than > > human. I mean, I'm grateful that you've illustrated the reason why I > > asked > > this question in the first place. That said, I have no interest in > > debating > > this further. > > > > I simply repeat my question, and would like it answered. Preferably in > > the > > negative. But if in the affirmative, then I would like to suggest that > > Nettime be shuttered because any benefit it had for creating a better > > world > > has long past. The world doesn't need a longform version of Gab, or > > Gab for > > that matter. > > > > Angela > > > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 10:29, Willem van Weelden > > <w.v.weel...@chello.nl> > > wrote: > > > >> dear angela, > >> relax dear. > >> it is ok. > >> noone is recruiting anyone here. > >> chill. > >> best, > >> w > >> > >> > >>> On 03 Nov 2018, at 23:04, Angela Mitropoulos < > >> angela.mitropou...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should give fascists a > >> platform from which to recruit? > >>> > >>> Angela > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
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