Brilliant, thanks. Looking forward to read the links. And glad you went „meta“ and pulled this off with a certain authority, not allowing him to make you react to his/their game, In which they eternally try to assign to you either the part of a self-pitying, worthless victim, or that of an evil inhibitor of Access to their democratic rights. (No further comments needed at this point why both is strategically repeated nonsense.)
> Am 06.11.2018 um 23:31 schrieb Angela Mitropoulos <[email protected]>: > > As briefly as possible, responses to various threads/remarks bundled up below: > > I've been on this list since, I think, 2003. This was the first time I've > ever suggested someone be thrown off. As someone else noted, times have > changed; but also, I can spot a fascist set of talking points because I've > learned how to do that. It's a skill, learn it, it might save someone's life > in a context where fascist trolling is also about inciting and legitimating > violence against Jews, black people, women, transpeople, migrants. > https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84 > > <https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84> > > > I do not need to debate fascists to know that they exist, to understand how > they think, or to fight their influence. Including them in online spaces has > the effect of undermining the involvement of critical voices in those spaces. > > I think it's an egotistical indulgence to believe one can "debunk" fascism. > It isn't just an innocuous or discomforting idea in a "marketplace of ideas," > but--as an idea regarding the purported fundamental inferiority of groups of > people--an idea that pushes toward restructuring the space and terms of > involvement in debate by destroying the assumption of equality. > > This is the reason why antifascists have insisted on a policy of > no-platforming. Not all trolls are fascists, but all fascists are trolls. > Everyone lies, but fascists lie as a matter of course because it feeds their > sense of supremacy. So, fascists will of course whisper in your ear about > Marx, "identity politics," and "the white working class," as Bannon has done > (this is playbook). They are all sleaze and bullshit, like Trump, even if it > comes wrapped in faux-high theory to flatter the Nettime set. On the problem > of dismissing fascists as just trolls: > https://www.vox.com/2016/11/23/13659634/alt-right-trolling > <https://www.vox.com/2016/11/23/13659634/alt-right-trolling> > > I think anyone who invokes Marx's name in support of a 'class first' position > is a charlatan. I am confident in saying this because I've done a lot of work > to be able to say it with confidence. Put another way, I'm prepared to wager > than of the 4k subscribers to this list, I've read more Marx more often over > many years. Those who wave Marx's name over reactionary positions are > performing a deference to a mystical patriarchal authority, while at the same > treating Marx's writings with utter disdain. I have criticisms of Marx, sure, > because I treat him as a writer, not a cult figure. > > The practice of using black women as deflector shields to defend from > possible criticism of racism and misogyny is a media strategy loved by the > far Right. Ironically, it trades on the crudest kind of 'identity politics' > by implying that if x (Candace Owens, whatever) hold a position then it could > not possibly be racist or sexist. It's a version of "but I have a black > female friend" defense. It is an ad hominem in reverse, not an argument about > anything. > > I wrote this some time ago on the media's fascination with Nazi profile > pieces: https://s0metim3s.com/2017/12/05/arendt-banality-nazism/ > <https://s0metim3s.com/2017/12/05/arendt-banality-nazism/> > > This is a concise account of why you cannot "debunk" fascism: > https://lithub.com/fascism-is-not-an-idea-to-be-debated-its-a-set-of-actions-to-fight/ > > <https://lithub.com/fascism-is-not-an-idea-to-be-debated-its-a-set-of-actions-to-fight/> > > This is on fascist creeping, a handy term imo: > https://truthout.org/articles/exposing-and-defeating-the-fascist-creep/ > <https://truthout.org/articles/exposing-and-defeating-the-fascist-creep/> > > Another handy term is "red-brown," which refers to a reactionary impulse on > what passes for the Left to align with fascists, and people who presumably > think that this time around they won't be murdered in a Night of the Long > Knives after they've served their purpose of consolidating support for > fascism. > > I wanted to just thank some people for weighing in with clear eyes: Alice > Yang, Flick Harrison, Ana Ulin, Ian Alan Paul, Dan Wang, Alessandra Renzi, > Sean Smith, Ryan Griffis, Julia Röder, David Garcia, Nina Temporär, Frank, > bronac ferran. (I may have missed some people, too many threads etc, > apologies if I have) > > And, Ted, finally, thanks for moving on it. > > best, > Angela > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
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