I'm on facebook because I have to manage social media for my employer. Truly the only reason I'm on there!
Renée Reizman On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 11:53 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Facebook (Frederic Neyrat) > 2. Re: Facebook (Jos? Mar?a Mateos) > 3. Re: Facebook (Frederic Neyrat) > 4. Re: Facebook (Alan Sondheim) > 5. Re: Facebook (Frederic Neyrat) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 10:28:01 -0600 > From: Frederic Neyrat <[email protected]> > To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism > <[email protected]> > Subject: <nettime> Facebook > Message-ID: > <CABB5BS0JOv5Avk4= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists, > environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on > Facebook and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this > "social" (?) network. > > This article > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics-republicans-right > is not the reason of my email, but its occasion. > > Thanks in advance for your light on this matter, > > Frederic Neyrat > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20191103/ecefa2e0/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 11:48:31 -0500 > From: Jos? Mar?a Mateos <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: <nettime> Facebook > Message-ID: <20191103164831.GF3718@equipaje> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 10:28:01AM -0600, Frederic Neyrat wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists, > >environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on > >Facebook and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this > >"social" (?) network. > > I've been off Facebook (see caveats below), but the reasons people > typically have to stay there are essentially that it provides a useful > way of communicating with either a close circle of friends and family, > and to broadcast opinions to the world. And that utility is above all > other considerations. Is it used to wage psychological warfare on its > users? Sure, but of course it doesn't affect them, only other people. > > As I said, I don't have a Facebook account anymore, but keep close > contact with said friends and family using WhatsApp groups, which > belongs to Facebook, am I then out of Facebook entirely? I don't think > so. Would I like to use a different system/app/protocol/whatever? > Definitely, but I can't force everybody else to move; we're basically > stuck there due to the network effect. > > I am now the weird friend that from time to time shoots an e-mail; I'm > glad to say that it works, and that people tend to take it more > seriously than a Facebook message. As for broadcasting, I use a blog. > Do people read it? Barely, but at least what I post there is published > under my rules. > > Cheers, > > -- > Jos? Mar?a (Chema) Mateos || https://rinzewind.org/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 11:06:29 -0600 > From: Frederic Neyrat <[email protected]> > To: Jos? Mar?a Mateos <[email protected]> > Cc: a moderated mailing list for net criticism > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: <nettime> Facebook > Message-ID: > <CABB5BS1TrTqaPdd-S5iUboUM_sqWtS2MLEGVj=- > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks for your answer! > > My best, > > FN > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 10:49 AM Jos? Mar?a Mateos <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 10:28:01AM -0600, Frederic Neyrat wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > >I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists, > > >environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on > > >Facebook and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this > > >"social" (?) network. > > > > I've been off Facebook (see caveats below), but the reasons people > > typically have to stay there are essentially that it provides a useful > > way of communicating with either a close circle of friends and family, > > and to broadcast opinions to the world. And that utility is above all > > other considerations. Is it used to wage psychological warfare on its > > users? Sure, but of course it doesn't affect them, only other people. > > > > As I said, I don't have a Facebook account anymore, but keep close > > contact with said friends and family using WhatsApp groups, which > > belongs to Facebook, am I then out of Facebook entirely? I don't think > > so. Would I like to use a different system/app/protocol/whatever? > > Definitely, but I can't force everybody else to move; we're basically > > stuck there due to the network effect. > > > > I am now the weird friend that from time to time shoots an e-mail; I'm > > glad to say that it works, and that people tend to take it more > > seriously than a Facebook message. As for broadcasting, I use a blog. > > Do people read it? Barely, but at least what I post there is published > > under my rules. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > Jos? Mar?a (Chema) Mateos || https://rinzewind.org/ > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20191103/37c3baf7/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 12:14:55 -0500 (EST) > From: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> > To: Frederic Neyrat <[email protected]> > Cc: a moderated mailing list for net criticism > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: <nettime> Facebook > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > I'm on it because there are a number of new media artists/writers/etc. > including myself who form somewhat of a community - it's a way to > distribute work, especially if one's not in academia or media industry. > It's brutally flawed but also useful and it gives more scope to textual > work than Instagram. > > Alan > > On Sun, 3 Nov 2019, Frederic Neyrat wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists, > > environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on > Facebook > > and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this "social" (?) > > network. > > > > Thisarticle? > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics- > > republicans-right > > is not the reason of my email, but its occasion. > > > > Thanks in advance for your light on this matter, > > > > Frederic Neyrat > > > > > > > > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wm.txt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:51:24 -0600 > From: Frederic Neyrat <[email protected]> > To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: <nettime> Facebook > Message-ID: > <CABB5BS2PzfR3L5ekH9vTDmZ+vgvb8EOonkt9gj+isxvA= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Alan! But I've a question, I try to formulate it... Let's say: > > 1/ FB enables to create a "community," that's good for sure; > 2/ but in the same time, it destroys the condition of the possibility of > community/togetherness/Gemeinwesen/?tre-ensemble, etc. For instance, in > making possible the election of people whose main goal is to destroy any > community/being-in-common (note that I do not consider being quantified and > recombined by algorithms a good way to generate some being-in-common). > > So, in the end, I understand that something would be lost by leaving FB - > hence my first question! - but would it be possible to say that the loss is > even more important while not quitting FB? > > My best, > > FN > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 11:14 AM Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm on it because there are a number of new media artists/writers/etc. > > including myself who form somewhat of a community - it's a way to > > distribute work, especially if one's not in academia or media industry. > > It's brutally flawed but also useful and it gives more scope to textual > > work than Instagram. > > > > Alan > > > > On Sun, 3 Nov 2019, Frederic Neyrat wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists, > > > environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on > > Facebook > > > and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this "social" > (?) > > > network. > > > > > > Thisarticle? > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics- > > > republicans-right > > > is not the reason of my email, but its occasion. > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your light on this matter, > > > > > > Frederic Neyrat > > > > > > > > > > > > > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552 > > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wm.txt > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20191103/1fd5e132/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 3 > ***************************************** >
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