oh, sorry Liz, I misunderstood your email, I apologize! Have a nice Sunday, My best, Frédéric __________________________________ ________________
On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 10:26 AM lizvlx <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi :) > > > alas, Lizvlx, the usa cannot "implodes on itself" without exploding, > one should be careful sometimes with our temptations, especially when > national implosions and explosions might kill people who are not fascists > but precisely the ones who do not want fascism and suffer from it > > > That was a joke - sorry if that was unclear. It is an impossible vision > that if only sounds good as an idea but of course does not work in reality. > So you can be assured, we don’t need to discuss this and are totally on > one page on this :) > > > *abolition*, *destituent power*, etc. not implosion or explosion: we need > to think in political terms > > > Unless we joke of course ;) > > > DT and it fundamentalistes care about international politics, see their > relation with Israel: btw, do you think it helps Palestinians? > actually DT's actions and non-actions create conflicts, climate refugees, > etc etc etc > and think about the licence to exploit oil in Arctic National Wildlife > Refuge: Alaska is in the world, it also concerns you in Austria: if the > world burns or implodes, you implode too, you're not apart from it > > anyway, the idea that DT is someone who will cause "less damage" than > other presidents at the international level is wrong, so totally wrong > > > That was not my point. I said one can construct a silver lining as he is > less interested in international politics than your standard American prez. > But as others have pointed out, all the shits he does (climate, UN, any > international treaty, diplomacy, etc) is just horrid. > > Thats why is said - there really is no grounds to discuss between trump > and Biden. > > love > liz > > > Best, > > F > > > __________________________________ > ________________ > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 3:53 AM lizvlx <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ….as much as Trump is partially and locally better than other Prez as he >> just does not care about international politics unless he gets to talk to >> other dictators, and hence will cause less damage than other Prez in the >> likes of Syria and generally the Middle East — he still can just kick of >> major crisis and nuclear war in a jiffy and we can trust him to make that >> happen. >> >> So basically, his only silver lining is being disinterested in overseas >> conflicts. >> >> hurray. (Read this with a monotone voice) >> >> So what are we discussing here? >> >> Well of course oil does not extinguish fire and trump is a racist fascist >> dictator-to-be that is not an option for anybody to vote for unless oneself >> is a fascist racist oh forgot sexist ableist. >> >> The idea of voting for trump so the Usa implodes on itself faster is >> tempting tho. >> >> Liz >> >> >> >> >> > On 10.10.2020, at 11:00, Keith Sanborn <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > It’s true. The US Presidents have made violence their major export. And >> Biden was a witness to Obama’s drone strike kill lists. But this does not >> make Biden worse than Trump. Trump has amplified violence and directed it >> towards an internal target. As Stalin used to call it, the enemy within. >> Here he uses both state forces and paramilitaries like any 3rd World >> dictator. He has also maintained levels of external violence, for example >> by strengthening military and diplomatic support for Israeli >> genocide—besides encouraging slow violence, supporting Palestinian >> starvation through sub-humanitarian minimums—economic sanctions against >> Iran and the list goes on. He has refused to pay the WHO He has taken the >> us out of the Paris climate agreement— What greater violence to the entire >> world cd there be? He promotes fossil fuels, actively lowers regulations >> and enforcement critical to environmental survival. He allowed covid to >> kill over 200,000 people in the us alone, promotes fake medical advice by >> which he financially profits. He refuses to support international efforts >> against covid. Trump is already worse both externally and internally than >> Biden cd possibly be. And Trump listens to no one except maybe Putin. Biden >> wd be forced into more public accountability. With Trump there is not even >> the pretense. He is undoubtedly the worst, most destructive President in >> the history of the us. But, by all means, hold onto those leninist >> fantasies that strengthening the worst aspects of capitalism will lead >> inevitably to its salutary self-destruction, which, btw will be the >> self-immolation of the planet. >> > >> >> On Oct 10, 2020, at 4:13 AM, Zak McGregor <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 12:30:03 -0400 >> >> Keith Sanborn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I wd like to know why you think Biden is worse. A Biden regime wd at >> least repress the growing fascist militias here. Perhaps news didn’t reach >> you about the plot to kidnap and try (implicitly then execute for treason) >> the female Democratic governor of Michigan foiled by the FBI. Her crime >> was making people wear face masks by executive order The Supreme Court of >> that Republican-dominated state struck down that lapse into sanity. Trump >> has encouraged these groups. >> >> >> >> This is nothing compared to what violence is meted out by the US, >> directly or indirectly - against people around the world. Both Republican >> and Democrat parties traditionally support these acts. Obama, for instance, >> destroyed Libya and attempted to destroy Syria. He only half succeeded. >> From outside the USA, there is zero difference between any of the 44 >> presidents (you call Trump 45, but he's only the 44th different person to >> hold that office, I think). >> >> >> >>> I don’t want to live with the daily levels of violence reported in >> the media and by friends in South Africa. Your situation is a bit different >> I think. But, perhaps those levels of violence are exaggerated. In that >> situation I might think differently. >> >> >> >> Yours is a violent system. It's always been so, and you always vote to >> continue that. >> >> >> >> Ciao >> >> >> >> Zak >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Zak McGregor <[email protected]> >> > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] >> > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > >
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