> > I also installed Red Hat 6 on another partition. It is missing kpackage and
> > glint, which is a very ugly error from Red Hat. Pppd works fine as ROOT, but
> > when I try to bring up kppp the following is the message:
>
> What does this have to do with Mandrake, might I ask? As for it missing
> kpackage and glint, who REALLY cares? Glint sucked rocks through a
> straw!
Thank God I did not install it then ;-)
> Try gnorpm or (horror of horrors!) the command line! As for
> kpackage, I tried it with Mandrake and just gave up on it. While
> uninstalling packages, it would magically up and lose root privileges
> every few minutes forcing me to restart the program. Thanks, but no
> thanks.
It's rather buggy at uninstalling sometimes. But installation is pretty nice.
Just click on an rpm file in the kfm window and up it pops. Installs are easy
too.
However...I prefer the rpm command line...it's more "deterministic" for now.
(hey, i'm being nice) :-)
> > Do these Linux companies know what they are doing? Since Red Hat received so
> > much investment, and Mandrake became successful their products are not worth
> > buying unless you are a programming guru who can fix the ugly errors.
>
> This KPPP problem doesn't exist on my copy of Mandrake, and I haven't
> seen any other postings about 'works as root, not as user' from anyone
> else in the past 3 or 4 months that I've been using Mandrake.
>
I agree...it sounds pretty bad. Even on my worst days it was never that bad for
me. When you installed Mandrake, did you get any error messages? How about at
boot time? Might want to look at /var/messages.
> As for the 'programming guru' comment, I'll be the first to admit that I
> couldn't code my way out of a paper bag. My Mandrake installation and
> subsequent use has been completely trouble-free and without any need to
> program anything.
Same here. Although, programming is the reason I'm using Linux. (Steve! Try
Python. I'm serious! :-))
I think it's not "programming" that you mean...it's configuring. And remember
that "figuring" is a big part of "configuring". Seriously, though. Docs abound
and help is friendly (here, anyway). So persevere, it's worth it. (you'll have
to get out of Win98 mindset, though).
You get bonus marks for asking "where can I find docs about..." type questions
as well as "I'd like to do...where do I find the docs / what docs are
pertinent?". Of course, general questions will be normally entertained here. It
_is_ a "newbie" mailing list.
>
> > I am very upset about their carelessness. Linux will not win the hearts of
> > people this way. I am now not recommending it to anyone until it will be
> > praised on the newsgroups.
>
> I'm sick and tired of people posting to this mailing list who've seen a
> mention of Linux somewhere, bought a distribution, installed it, and now
<snipped>
> WITHOUT the "threats" to give up Linux. You'll get alot further.
>
> --
> Steve Philp
Well said, Steve. I could not have waxed as lyrical-ly myself.
I dare say there is a large number of newbies coming to Linux everyday. Whether
they stay on depends much on whether they can or have the time or are lucky
enough (like me) to be able to find the docs "in the nick of time". Or maybe I'm
just too dumb to know when quit. ;-)
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Kuraiken - Apprentice Codecaster
*And avid Python breeder.
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