On Monday 07 October 2002 06:25 am, you wrote: > Exactly! > > At the very least they could redo the ISO's on-line. If you are going to > the small effort to do so, it probably would be best to leave the the > smaller-sized ISO set as an 'additional' choice instead of replacing the > ones that they have already done the work in creating. With future > releases, it would make sense to have only the smaller-sized ones > available. > Creating a new Powerpack or ProSuite creates additional costs that may > be beyond their budget this time around. I could accept this, knowing > that they will change this in the future. A judicial word or two on the > 'problem' within the marketing end of the Mandrake Web site would handle > the current 'problem' for now, with a promise to make future editions in > the smaller size for as long as the need seems to be there. It becomes > our responsibility then, as Mandrake's most loyal and dedicated group of > users, to inform them of when the 650 MB limit has gone the way of the > Dodo. > > I see this is a lack of awareness on Mandrake's part, not their failure > to so something right. Unless someone(s) make it known to them that > there are quite a few users out there that cannot use the first CDs or > ISO's because of their size, nothing will be done about it. I would be > more than happy to write that requesting email or letter, if I thought > that only my voice was enough incentive for them to make the change(s) > necessary. It seems unlikely that my is enough, all by itself. > > What do you think, Ed? the short of it is _I_ have a dialup connection, but a dvd player, and I get the dvd version, so for _me_, I get the (preordered, and with club discount) dvd version. but that's just me. I don't have a clue as to the reasoning (besides making packeges fit together) behind making the first 2 cds over 650 megs and the last one around 450, maybe a chance to make the pressed versions a little different. or maybe the concept that a "newer" cdrom costs less than the powerpack, and they probly don't sell much to folks that can't put in a newer cdrom.
> > T > > et wrote: > > well, to be honest, I have often found that sitting back and expecting > > "the same" from almost any group works best as far as predicting > > behavior. as long as "the same" is a long record of attempting excellence > > within the realm of "Open Source" and/or "GNU", I see no reason to expect > > any less. I do agree that as far as a powerpack or prosuite, I would hope > > they could do the math over and figure that they have enough space left > > on the 3rd cd to make the first 2 isos down to 650 for the pressed and > > sale versions. I know it would cut into the pool of potential purchasers > > if the box needs to note that it only runs on computers with a CD reader > > newer than the last 2 years. that said, why not redo the ISOs and post a > > location to find them? > > > > On Sunday 06 October 2002 08:15 am, you wrote: > >>Your welcome, Brian! I'm glad you found what your problem was. Now, what > >>do you (and I who also have a CD-RW in my Linux 8.2 machine that won't > >>read 700 MB CDs properly) and the others with this problem do about it? > >> > >>It seems that this will be a reoccurring theme until all of us get rid > >>of our older CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW drives. However, this might be a good > >>opportunity to rally together as a group of users who feel that a change > >>needs to be made. There's no reason beyond convenience for Mandrake (I > >>include the very obvious cost factor of burning, packaging and shipping > >>out one extra CD as part of this) to have any of the distribution disks > >>larger than 650 MBs. ....At least for a little while longer. Mandrake > >>would be sympathetic to our needs if they knew that there were enough > >>users suffering from this problem. If a few of us make our thoughts > >>known, we might get a second set of ISOs on-line. If a LOT of us make > >>our needs very real to them, they might even see the logic of > >>commercially producing a second set of CDS. > >> > >>We represent their proud and elite. We make them what they are by our > >>presence on their listserv, helping users learn to get the most from > >>their product. Our devoted and dedicated, not to mention the very fact > >>that we choice their distribution over others, makes us their front > >>line. They are aware of this, and I'm sure that they care. > >>However....enough of us have to voice our concerns to make it be known > >>to them that this is bigger concern than they might have once thought. > >>Otherwise, things will continue on as they are and those of us with > >>older drives on our Linux machines will have to buy new drives, find > >>ways to reverse engineer the ISOs, or install in another way. We > >>shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't have to replace a good working > >>piece of hardware (supported by the distro, at that!) just to install a > >>newer version. Not yet. Not until our old machines are like 286 > >>doorstops, I would think. > >> > >>Those of you who have been here longer than me must know of a proper way > >>to make this request in numbers. I urge everyone, even those who are not > >>plagued with this problem, to band together and let Mandrake know that > >>we are hurting for change: a very small change that is possible and > >>manageable. We do it right, with respect, but with an obvious > >>underlining strength derived from need. > >> > >>Now that I have everyone's attention and the word "mutiny" being > >>murmured is being whispered within the gathered crowd, does anyone have > >>an productive ideas as to how we should make such a respectful plea to > >>Mandrake with the greasiest impact possible? > >> > >>"All for one, and one for all!" > >>(Sorry for that...I just recently > >>watched the movie, "The Musketeer".) :-D > >> > >>Rabble-Rousing T > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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