On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 20:28, Richard Urwin wrote:
> > Overall, though, I'm still perplexed over the entire "desktop" war bit
> -
> > linux is an OS that allows you to have YOUR OWN CUSTOMIZED DESKTOP -
> but
> > unless you're a bit adept at customizing, you're stuck with mainstream
> > desktop environments  - almost like in the Windows world - which I
> > despise.
> 
> This seems like a good time and place to ask what is a desktop
> environment? As opposed to a window manager. From an X windows point of
> view as well as from a user point of view.
> 
> -- Confused of Kettering (Leicester actually)
> 
> --
> Richard Urwin, Private
> "No 9000 series computer has ever made a mitsake or corrubiteddatatato."
> 

Window Manager - handles the XWindows
Desktop Environment - Window Manager plus icons on desktop, window-tips
standard, standard widgets and pipes...etc...

When you use a "window manager" you're using all sorts of programs
hither thither and yon...when you're using a "desktop environment", you
can basically copy/paste data, pipe data easily from one program to the
next, have all your programs looking basically the same...

KDE is a complete desktop environment.
Gnome is a complete desktop environment.
CDE is a desktop environment.
XIMIAN is a desktop environment.

XFCE is a window manager (with extras)
Blackbox is a window manager.
Enlightenment is a window manager.
WindowMaker is a window manager.

...does that sort it out a tad bit better?

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Gay shlafen:  Yiddish for "go to sleep".

Now doesn't "gay shlafen" have a softer, more soothing sound than the
harsh, staccato "go to sleep"?  Listen to the difference:
        "Go to sleep, you little wretch!" ... "Gay shlafen, darling."
Obvious, isn't it?
        Clearly the best thing you can do for you children is to start
speaking Yiddish right now and never speak another word of English as
long as you live.  This will, of course, entail teaching Yiddish to all
your friends, business associates, the people at the supermarket, and
so on, but that's just the point.  It has to start with committed
individuals and then grow....
        Some minor adjustments will have to be made, of course: those
signs written in what look like Yiddish letters won't be funny when
everything is written in Yiddish.  And we'll have to start driving on
the left side of the road so we won't be reading the street signs
backwards.  But is that too high a price to pay for world peace?
I think not, my friend, I think not.
                -- Arthur Naiman, "Every Goy's Guide to Yiddish"

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