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From: "erylon hines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Mice Issues and comments (rant?)


> Download and install Pine.  (It used to be included with the Mandrake
disks,
> but due to some issues with the license, it no longer is.  However, it is
> still free).  The editor that comes with Pine is called "pico", and it is
> extremely easy to use, with no learning curve whatsoever.  The trouble
with
> vi and the console version of emacs is that you must learn the hotkeys.
Now,
> IMO, these are definitely worth learning, but if you only edit
occasionally,
> pico is the ticket.

  I downloaded Nano as previously suggested, and it's a lot easier. But,
there are a few commands that I miss. Oh yeah, and what's the unix command
for copy?!? Heh.. I wanted to make a backup of the file I wanted to edit, so
out of habit I did copy <filename> <filename> and got no copy. LOL.. so I
had to load the file into nano, and save it under a different filename, then
edit it. Of course, I completely screwed it up and got no more KDE on boot.
Good thing I backed it up. heh.


> This ain't always true.  I just installed W2K pro and Mandrake 8.2--dual
> boot.  W2K missed my sound card (SB Live Value), and put my external modem
on
> Com 3, then gave me an error message that I didn't have enough resources
for
> the serial port.  Then I had to install my Nvidia Gforce drivers because
it
> missed the card and gave me a 640 x 480 generic.  Got my network card
right
> though.  Mandrake got everything right, except for my Sandisk card reader
(I
> had to edit my fstab and change the reader from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdb1).
Both
> systems got my zip correct.

   I was speaking in general terms, and you're right, it isn't always that
simple. Assuming your hardware was produced *before* the version of windows
you are trying to install, etc, etc..


> That's o.k.  But, both systems have their quirks, and both require that
you
> learn how they work.  The biggest problem with Linux is manufacturer's not
> releasing specs/drivers for their hardware, not that Linux is difficult to
> use (my wife uses it exclusively, now, so it must be pretty easy).  This
> system does require that the user pay attention to what hardware is being
> installed, but there really are plenty of alternatives that will be auto
> recognized.  That attention is the price paid for not having to keep
> anti-virus software up-to-date, and for the low cost of the distributions,
I
> guess.

   Very true and since I know nothing about Linux, it makes the learning
curve very steep. I'm used to not having to read docs and being able to
figure out how to make things work due to my familiarity with Windows. Plus,
of course, Windows and Windows hardware documentation is rather lacking.
Since I have none with linux, it frustrates and humbles me.

 I have run into the jerks on irc help channels and such, but fortunately
for me, I usually manage to phrase my questions in such a way as to convey
that I am not an idiot,  just ignorant. So, I have found quite a few people
who have helped me, including people from this list, to whom I am thankful.

Michael



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