On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 14:51, Tom Brinkman wrote:

>    Now Lyvim, I believe you read the cooker list and should know this 
> was all hammered out, fuss'd about, reasons given, and concessions 
> made months ago on the cooker list.  If I'm terribly wrong, then 
> search the cooker archives back in Oct., Nov., Dec....
> 
>    Tho many were vocal (as you are) about the changes, the logic and 
> reasons for it as given by the Mdk. developers were compelling if not 
> convincing, and much progress has been made with the new versions 
> since.

I am somewhat new to the cooker list, and I just migrated to 9.1 beta. 
The difference is that now I've actually made the transition from
"theory" to "practice" in my involvement with rpmdrake 2.x, and it isn't
positive.  I just don't believe the 4-way interface is as good as
rpmdrake 1.4.  Behind the scenes the "engine(s)" may be new and
improved, but the interface just isn't getting it.  I don't understand
*why* it was changed, and I have not talked to anybody that does.  It
seems to me that this should have been a discussion/vote within
Mandrakeclub prior to the time that the change was made.  I assumed that
that was one of the reasons that Mandrakeclub existed.

>    But what do I know, it's much easier and quicker to manage packages 
> on the CL anyhow ;~ppp

I use rpm to install downloaded individual rpm's and rpmdrake to install
from CD and update the OS from the net.  Usually I get the latter two
items done pretty easily from the rpmdrake 1.4 UI.  But since I've been
using LM91 Beta 3, I've developed a strong aversion to using rpmdrake.

I used to could start rpmdrake 1.4 from an Eterm and then as I conducted
actions in the UI, it would report back to Eterm exactly what it was
doing, connecting to, unpacking, installing, etc, et al, ad infinitim. 
Very handy; very good UI experience; a good teamwork job between the CLI
and the UI.  Now with 9.1 all that is history.

>    BTW, in the recent discussions of updating 9.1b3 from mirrors, I 
> failed to mention there's a new tool 'urpmi.setup' available. A 
> little GUI tool for the CL challenged to use urpmi. 'Course I haven't 
> used it ;)    urpmi.setup-0.4.2-1mdk

I *could* start using the CLI for this stuff, I've just been occupied
with too many *other* things in the CLI to pay attention.  I don't spend
all day playing with rpmdrake.  But when I do use it, I like for there
to be a decent UI sitting there waiting.  With the advent of rpmdrake
2.1 it is now probably time to get a handle on the CLI procedures for
urpmi, at least in the interim period that it takes for rpmdrake 1.4 to
be voted back in.

LX

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