----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rikona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "stormjumper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 07:08
Subject: Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?


> Hello stormjumper,
>
> Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 1:42:02 PM, you wrote:
>
> s> kill actually passes certain signals to processes, and the default is
to try
> s> to shut it down gracefully (using SIGTERM i think)
>
> Aaaaa... here I thought it was just a simple kill. :-) As usual,
> theres more to it.
>
> s> the short of it, is you can try
> s>     kill -9 process_id
> s> to forcefully bring it down.
>
> That seemed to bring down everything - ssh remote quit responding,
> could not log back in, no keys worked anywhere.

i'm sorry to hear that. i've just tried, and killing the pid of startx
brought down everything running on X. in this case, you may wanna try
slowing bringing down applications you know are running on X one by one,
starting with those you suspect most.

> s>     man 2 kill
>
> Hmmm... didn't know there was more than one. :-) Us newbies have a lot
> to learn, I guess. I am slowly beginning to undersatnd the man pages
> better. The terseness and jargon, for me, is not newbie oriented, and
> sometimes quite difficult to fully understand. Looks like they will be
> quite good, though, when I get a little less newbieish.

i guess man pages are generally written by hackers, for hackers, which
explains why they sometime seem cryptic. however, more and more project have
user contributed documentation, and as they trickle down, hopefully man
pages will benefit as well.

until then, normal newbies like us will just have to try harder.
;-)


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