That seems to be part of the problem...too many people get there "reality"
throuogh their tv sets...makes for a real distorted view and a sense of
danger not appropriate (even in these times) No better example comes to mind
(Also proving that it is a worldwide situation) then the recent SARS
"epidemic" Maybe I'm being thick, but it seems that the sars virus was
pretty wimpy and killed a few hundred people worldwide? The coverage and
response was insane (IMHO)

Mike Wafkowski

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> Ok,
>
> the discussion seems to be in full bloom here, so I don't hold back...
>
> On Wednesday 09 July 2003 23:15, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
> > JoeHill wrote:
> > >On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:52:53 -0400
> > >
> > >"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > >>I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I
> > >>saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing
> > >>harm...I've got a gun....would you rather have me intervene, using my
> > >>legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because
> > >>of your views/feelings about guns???
> > >
> > >ah, yes, the ancient art of fear-mongering, the specialty of the
> > >clueless and uneducated, also Nazis, Tyrants, Warmongers, etc.
> >
> > The Nazis banned guns as soon as they could to keep the citizenry from
> > fighting back when they screwed them.
>
> The nazis were right-wing. (has nothing to do with your point, but I just
> wanted to say it)
>
> > >did you know that it is 10 times more likely for you to be killed by a
> > >relative or friend than a "bunch of crazy thugs"? No. I thought not.
> > >
> > >Did you know that the incidence of "random" or "home invasion"
> > >killings/rapes/robberies has been on the decline in Canada for over a
> > >decade thanks to the police not having to worry about everybody and
> > >their dog not having a handgun? No. I thought not.
> >
> > That's not even remotely true.  Home invasion has gone up considerably,
> > as has violent crimes, and armed robberies, in every country that has
> > implemented a total ban on guns.
>
> PLEASE, show some prove for your statements.
>
> Please show me some URLs (not some right-wing books that are not worth my
> money, or at least some quotes and statistics from the books, because I
will
> not buy them to look it up). Show me that "firearms prevent more crimes
than
> they are used in/cause" as you said it.
>
> Tell my why america has some 12000 gun-related deaths (quoting from
memory)
> [although in: http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/new/guns97.pdf
> there is 34'000 to 39'000 gun-related deaths each year. (measured
1993-1996)]
> while others like Germany with more strict gun-controls have 400? It's
quite a
> difference.
>
> In USA 14 people per 100'000 die per year involving firearms. That is only
> superceded by Jamaika and Brasil. (Germany has 1.4 [that is 10% of US of A
> rate], Greece 1.87, Japan 0.07.....)
>
> source:
> United Nations International Study on Firearm Regulation
> http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/firearms/index.htm
> The report:
> http://www.uncjin.org/Documents/6comm/4e.pdf
>
> Some URL like that maybe? Not some racists book...
>
> > Use your brain.
> >
> > There is a reason people don't go up and mess with Pit Bulls an such
> > powerful animals. They don't want to get hurt.
>
> The reason why these dogs get outlawed here is exactly the same as why
guns
> are restricted: _look_ at them. I don't want those fucked up people who
own a
> Pit Bull have one. As I don't want those brain-dead alcoholic gun-crazy
> redneck to have one.
>
> In fact I am more afraid of these than all robbers and criminals at all.
>
> The more guns, the more they will be used, the more will die. Simple and
easy.
>
> > Criminals are generally
> > cowards, but they are not neccesarily stupid.  They would much rather
> > try to rob, rape or kill someone who they know is unable to defend
> > themselves than someone they either know, or suspect, might be armed and
> > capable of putting them in a large pine box.
>
> Watch too much TV lately?
>
> b.
>
>


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