Where would I go to get info and help to make my linux box a file server print server and every thing you talk about here Thanks Greg
"Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Stephen, > >I do exactly the same thing here in Western Australia, > >I have several clients over here that are running linux.. >and they proudly >tell everyone that they are "hip" enough to be running a >linux server.. >(though ususally they don't even know how to log into it..) > >I use several as fileservers, mail/spam/virus filters, >gateways, proxies, >backups, DNS, webservers etc etc.. much the same stuff you >are talking about. > >most of them are over the moon that they don't need client >licenses for all >the workstations anymore... > >Its good stuff. :-) > > >regards > >Franki > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen >Kuhn >Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 7:04 PM >To: Mandrake Newbie >Subject: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence > > >This is slightly OT, but I wanted to show something about >how consumers >think (non-geek consumers that are looking for SOLUTIONS and >not OS >wars). > >I have a customer - they're a building/architecture firm >here in >Wollongong, New South Wales (Australia!); they spend very >large amounts >of money on software necessary to do their work (AutoCAD and >a >financial/accounting package with estimation and cost >factoring that >works hand-in-hand with AutoCAD) but cannot necessarily run >out and >purchase new machines every year to keep up with the >techno-tide; they >run primarily XP, Win2k and Win98SE - and they're happy >doing this as it >suits their purposes and their comfort levels - they're >stuck into using >computers all the time - day in and day out and don't have >the time to >"relearn" new applications, new operating systems or new >office suites. > >They need a server - file server and print server (at least >this is what >they wanted at first) - on top of this, they want a way to >protect the >network from bugs'n'nasties, and the horrible pop-up ads and >other junk >that ends up cluttering up their email boxes. They have no >care as to >what is what - just that it's a machine to do the job. They >want to do >it for the least amount/least cost, but most punch. > >I'm building them a linux server. This machine will be their >mail server >(wow, really?), their file server, their print server, their >fax server >(wow, really?), their proxy server (wow, really?), their >firewall and >internet gateway (super wow, really?), their backup server >(even bigger >wow's and really's!?!), their "profile" storage server, and >last but not >least, their "intranet" server (Gosh and jeepers! Way >cool!); cost was >the factor. > >They were given an outline of the machine and it's >capabilities - >without really telling the "boss" what OS the machine was >going to have >- he was over the moon with the "total cost"; question did >come, though, >as to what it was going to run - to which he was told >"linux"; "Oh >really? Ok...is that cheaper than Windows server?" - I then >proceeded to >tell him that it would cost literally another $3000 to $5000 >for an "All >Windows" server. Nah. No go. "Um, I like the first one you >said"..."Linux?" - "Yeah, that one". > >He was told that he (or I) can actually completely >administer the >machine remotely - or perform maintenance or support >remotely - no extra >cost (except for the support contract which is still not >alot of money); >way cool! That's really cool! > >Here's some things he liked right off the bat: > >* No need to learn any new applications >* No need to understand anything new >* No change of "visual" infrastructure >* No training necessary for the workers >* No "thinking" about doing backups (they hate that) >* No "poking around" with ADSL settings anymore >* No need to manually virus scan stuff >* No worries about viruses born through email >* No more pop-up ads >* pr0n dialers can't work anymore (boss surfs a bit) >* Everyone's activities can be monitored by the boss >* No need to have me visit physically >* No more need to have me do support "on site" > (unless something really screws up) >* No licensing with Microsoft (He hates those ties) > >He asked about updating the software. I said it updates >itself. Big >smile. He asked about how the antivirus software updates. I >said it >updated itself. Bigger smile. He asked if he had to do >manual scans for >bugs anymore - I said "Only if you want to" - He digs that. > >These people don't give a rat's bum about being loyal to >Microsoft or to >another - they're worried about cost and effectiveness. If >he can get >two more years out of a box with Win2k on it or Win98SE on >it, he's over >the moon. Less overhead. > >Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact: >Linux and >Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together. >I went >through this same thing about 10 years ago with Macs and >PC's - and >shown people time and time again that they can live happily >together and >not be a thorn in anyone's side. Linux - especially when >used properly >as a server that's setup nicely and setup for alot of >monotonous >repetitive tasks can make a network with MS products more >stable and >more safe; for all intents and purposes, Windows was built >to be a >"workstation" and really nothing more (although it's always >pushed into >trying to be a server product); end-users can happily be in >XP and linux >happily sits in the background churning away at the tough >jobs - jobs it >was designed to do from the get-go... > >Now there might come a time when I can show this particular >customer >that a linux workstation might be a good choice for an >addition there in >the office, but currently, it's of no use - they ain't got >the time nor >the freedom to "test" this... > >...and they saved thousands of dollars off of "locked in >licensing" of a >Microsoft product - and that money saved is money I'll get >back out of >them when they purchase something else they've been wanting >almost more >than a new server - 19" monitors! > >...resume your course... >-- >Wed Jul 30 20:35:01 EST 2003 > 20:35:01 up 23:27, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.27, >0.16 >------------------------------------------------------------ >----- >| __ __ |kuhn media australia >| >| /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com >| >| .\__/ || | | >|================================| >| _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn >| >| | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] | >------------------------------------------------------------ >----- > linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH >9 > Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 >------------------------------------------------------------ >----- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free >computer * > >Beware the new TTY code! > > > > -- Linux Mandrake Rules __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. 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