On Saturday 13 September 2003 01:05 am, Mathieu Frenette wrote:
> > Thanks for all the replies everybody.  I 'assume' then that
> > when shredding file(s) that there is no fragmentation such
> > as there is in the windows os and that the freed space
> > can/is immediately available to be written to?
>
> As for fragmentation, it should not make a difference whether
> you use "delete" or "shred", the same basic process happens,
> as far as file allocation is concerned, and fragmentation will
> still occur.
>
> M.

I have to disagree. Deleting a file removes it entry in the 
allocation table, so the system can't find it. But it is still 
there, right on your harddisk. Shredding a file overwrites all 
the inodes with random 0's and 1's . I suppose one can set the 
number of overwrites to anything to ones hearts content. I'm 
quite sure, that if I *shred* this text, say 10 times, it'll 
require some effort in a high-tech laboratory to recover it.

In Linux - as in all Unixes - fragmentation is a *non-issue*. If 
one uses a genuine  *nix filesystem ( like ext2, ext3, XFS, JFS 
or ReiserFS) there's no need whatsoever to do any 
defragmentation.  A possible exception is - according to 
Civileme - JFS which is derived from OS/2 and hence inherited 
some compromises from way back when DOS/Windows was hot.

Anyway - I recently had to buy a PC for my daughter. It came with 
something called WindowsXP preloaded. The filesystem was called 
NTFS, which - so I'm told - should combine some of the benefits 
of UNIX and OS/2. It was heavily defragged even on the first 
boot, and every attempt to defrag it was futile. At least, under 
OS/2 one could set up the config.sys to defrag the whole 
filesystem (HPFS) automatically on boot.  Under this XP-thingy 
everything seems to be messed up permanently.

Kaj Haulrich. 
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