On Sunday 14 December 2003 11:20 pm, Carren Stuart wrote:

> Internet security is important to me, and I have my Windows system
> locked down as tightly as possible. I have a dial up connection, which
> is pretty much connected 24 hours a day. I use a respected AV and
> Kerio with a very stringently customised set of rules, I do not use
> any Microsoft software other than my operating system, plus I make use
> of several third party bits and pieces to help me keep my system
> locked down as tightly as possible.

Prior to about 2 or 3 years ago, I also ran MS as my primary OS with WinXP as 
the last MS OS on my primary box.  I also ran personal firewall software, had 
scanned my system externally and had a router/firewall appliance at the same 
time.  I did not use IE for a browser (ran opera instead) and tried to be 
very knowledgable about security in general.  At the time, I thought my own 
system was fairly secure and it might well have been, with their being easier 
targets that were more likely to be hit than mine.  However, with the work 
that I have done and continue to do testing software and security aspects of 
software in general, I am much more aware of the deficiencies of certain 
aspects of the MS OS.  I would not disparate anyone for implementing 
available tools to harden their system, but I would not regard any MS OS as 
being secure in any fashion.

> Having said that, I am not paranoid about this, and I do realise that
> my system is not, and never will be 100% secure. That doesnt bother
> me. I have taken all the precautions I can for my own particular
> computing situation, and that is enough for me. I have reduced the
> risk as much as I possibly can at this point. 

A standalone router/firewall, even on the modem connection would do so even 
more.

> If I happen to get 
> caught out by some nasty at some time, it will be bad luck, but it
> wont be due to something stupid I did.

Could very well be something stupid that some MS developer did.  Probably more 
likely that.

> As you have already said Linux is an inherently more secure OS than
> Windows, and the risks are less, although not absent. I want to be
> able to feel secure using Linux but I don't the level of security
> someone in business might need. At the moment I dont *feel* secure
> because I dont understand how the firewall works, and I can't begin to
> configure it the way I want it, until such time as I can understand
> it! That's where I am at now. My previous posts about other firewalls
> available, were really indicating that I was perhaps looking for
> something I could *get* straight away, to use in the meantime, while I
> am busy trying to get my head around the built in firewall. 

Which is why I recommended the standalone router/firewall appliance in the 
first place.  It is fairly cheap (about the same as antivirus software), 
simple to setup and it offers a fair amount of protection directly out of the 
box.  Granted, it is not as flexible as one might like, but it should 
certainly serve your purposes until you find a solution that is flexible 
enough and just as secure.

> None of what I have posted here on the subject is intended in any way
> to be critical of you or of the linux firewall. 

IIRC, you took offense to my statements, not the other way around.  I was 
simply defending what I had said.  Again, I did not ever mean to deprecate 
someone taking all available precautions, including using something like 
Kerio on Windows, I was simply suggesting that hardening Windows against 
exploits is an almost insurmountable task.

> I'm sorry to say, you'll be seeing more of me here, at least until the
> light bulb in my head switches on! :-)

Not at all.  I hope to see more of you and wish that more Windows users were 
interested enough in exploring the limits of their own systems that they 
would see the weaknesses of it.  I have just gotten finished reading an 
interesting ebook about computer security that suggests that PC software 
developers in general have for years disregarded security in favor of 
usability, functionality and ease of use for new users.  Linux, having been 
built by and for hackers did not care as much about UI and ease of use as 
security and arcane functional utility.  Perhaps this is yet another example 
of that premise.
-- 
Bryan Phinney
Software Test Engineer


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