On Thursday 02 December 2004 23:14, rikona wrote:
> Hello H.J.Bathoorn,
>
> Thursday, December 2, 2004, 12:49:07 PM, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
>
> HJB> On Thursday 02 December 2004 21:30, Simon Roberts wrote:
> >> These things will, by default, download and execute various things
> >> you probably didn't want. This is compounded by the average user's
> >> response to the typical security warning which they read as:
>
> HJB> Which is why one should confine them to the LAN-only.
>
> Another approach is to NOT use M$ software other than the OS. For
> example, programs such as TheBat (email) (1) do NOT use vulnerable M$
> components in their code, (2) can be configured to NOT go to the web
> for anything [other than email, of course :-)], and (3) to NOT open
> anything. This allows even a relatively naive user to have email with
> MUCH improved safety.

Agreed.....I usually offer "calypso" to those people.....It's abandon 
ware/free and quite nice and/or (if the box is up to it) mozilla in all it's 
form.
Downside is that calypso has a strange way of compressing it's backups......if 
it realy crashes there's hardly a way to salvage old mail archives.

Downside of the Bat is this user_name_initials stuff in "reply's". IMHO 
they're daft, at the least;)

>
> I have suggested this approach to many users who are stuck with M$, or
> still too afraid to switch, and it has reduced their problems
> enormously.

Kick Outlook, VB and IE and you're more than halfway secure but that wasn't 
point of the original post, was it?

Keeping Windows off the net is much better. I'm surprised how little uproar 
(actually total silence) there was here in the Netherlands when they rounded 
up a bunch of alleged Islamic terrorists who had threatened a right wing 
politician.
They were caught thanks to their ISP's logs AND information from MicroSoft 
America....unbelievable in all senses!

>
> You MUST be behind a router, though, preferably with at least an SPI
> firewall!

Good advice that.
-- 
Good luck,
HarM

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