Jesus can you people can it!? This is getting old take your bickering off the list. I don't think myself or anyone else would care to hear your personal attacks and jibes at each other. I'm hear to learn, not to watch a verbal boxing match. Nick Horton > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Corbeil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1 > > > Pittman, Merle wrote: > > > YOU ARROGANT P---k!! > > > > So a few math and physics courses (probably from mail > order, or your nearest > > community college) make you all that. I have 2 advanced degrees in > > engineering (electronics and computers) yet I think myself > no better or > > smarter than anyone on this list and neither should you. > > Having advanced degrees does not necessarily make you a > sharper human being, > except that you know more about the technical business you > studied in. Humans > are not reduceable to merely technological terms. There's a > hell of a lot more > to being a totally balanced human being than an ego trip > over advanced degrees > in technology. > > Don't know if you're noticed or not, but technology has also > been much the > cause for the serious degradation of the natural environment > on this planet; > therefore, before waving your pieces of paper, think first, > because these > aren't impressive, no where as much as the continuous > destruction of the > natural environment of this planet is. > > If only people with might high pieces of paper in technical > studies could only > figure out that simple reality. > > My arrogance is only your interpretation. I wonder if > someone who waves highly > advanced pieces of paper can figure out the simple meaning of > this; however, to > give you a little assistance, what it means is that I'm not > at all arrogant and > it's merely in your eyes that I am. What I am, though, is > FRANK and a no-bs > type. > > If you prefer bs, pc crap, then by all means, continue to > live that way, if > that's how you like to perceive the world; however, don't > ever pretend your two > pieces of paper to be of any true significance to me, for > reasons as stated > above. That's what I have to think about many so-called > highly educated types. > > I don't reduce humanity to mathematics or science, but > instead take the > opposite pov, which is to put these sciences to the service > of HUMANITY. Hence > I BELIEVE in PEOPLE, far more than I believe in the sciences > we discover and > develop, but use so atrociously. > > If you don't grasp this truth, then believe me when I tell > you, you'll never be > convincing, not to me. > > If you knew how to read, then you'ld have realized very > clearly that I wasn't > bragging, but only describing my pov and reasoning to > illustrate. T'was not at > all for bragging, because, as per above. > > mike > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mike Corbeil [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:39 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1 > > > > > > Alan Shoemaker wrote: > > > > > > > Mike....correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's > > > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't > > > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert > > > > list? Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted > > > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list. The remedy here > > > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply > > > > served to confuse the issue. > > > > > > > > > > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less > than trivial for > > > longer > > > than I can recall. When I first started learning about > computers and > > > programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, > but then I also > > > had a > > > few years of math and physics behind me. Nonetheless, if > I think back to > > > before > > > that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more > thorough explanation. > > > Heck, my > > > father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was > a mere 8 years > > > old; > > > therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations > for decades. > > > > > > If you're confused, then don't think that this means that > everyone else > > > who's a > > > newbie would also be confused. As I recall in school, in > every course, at > > > every > > > level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material. > > > > > > What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too > complicated, is > > > to > > > stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long > as it works. > > > Otherwise, > > > I just ask questions for clarification. > > > > > > We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of > elementary school, > > > here; > > > therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough > answers. When you > > > don't > > > like it, move on. If newbies seeking help scream in > panic, then this will > > > definitely help to indicate that what you say is true, > but as it is, > > > you're > > > pretending to be able to speak for them, instead of > letting them speak for > > > themselves. > > > > > > As a relative newbie to Linux systems administration, but > not to Unix and > > > programming, I presented information I learned as a > newbie to Linux > > > systems > > > administration, and based on this, the additional info > wasn't out of > > > context. > > > > > > Besides, newbies also need to learn the system and some > will catch on very > > > quickly, while those who don't, can either ask for > clarification, or stick > > > with > > > the simpler responses they've received. > > > > > > How complicated do you want to make this? > > > > > > Some people in the newbie list have already proven that > they're not > > > newbie; only > > > to installing Linux and only in some respects, more in > some and less in > > > others. > > > > > > By providing more thorough information in a newbie > mailing list, as well > > > as more > > > elementary answers, this satisfies the entire group. If > you're not happy > > > with an > > > answer which is correct, then skip. If you're not happy > with an answer > > > which is > > > not 100% correct, but along the correct line(s), then > correct the errors. > > > > > > This mailing list is for learning, as far as I'm aware, > because getting > > > help > > > inherently implies learning. Part of accepting to learn > is accepting to > > > make > > > errors or mistakes, and to learn from these. > > > > > > Why treat people like babies, instead of giving them > something to chew on? > > > > > > People using this list to get help for their employment > should subscribe > > > to > > > professional support mailing lists or resources; > therefore, I don't > > > perceive > > > these mailing lists except for the much more general > audience, including > > > hobbiests. My case is neither of these, but instead > merely learning, to > > > merely > > > become more marketable, kind of like going to school, but > without the > > > tuition > > > fees and the piece of paper at the end. You'll find > people using these > > > mailing > > > lists for various reasons, but you seem to only want to > reduce or restrict > > > to > > > people who are 100% newbie to computing, which is not the reality. > > > > > > If you wish to share more about your pedagogical philosophies or > > > approaches, then > > > feel free. However, I wouldn't bother based on this > thread, because what > > > I presented is not really above the newbie level. Again, > I learned it > > > during my > > > newbie phase to Linux systems administration, but then I > tend to spend a > > > fair > > > amount of time reading ahead and reading various > documentation I come > > > across and > > > which might be even remotely related. Just because > others don't do this, > > > doesn't > > > mean that this approach isn't relevant to people at the > newbie level. > > > > > > Baby food is nourishing, but it's usually more nourshing > when there's an > > > adequate > > > amount of vitamins and minerals. > > > > > > I'm not knocking the response to set umask to 0 for the > dos partitions, in > > > the > > > fstab file, but also didn't present anything above newbie > level. Hence, > > > argumentation or discourse. > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > Mike Corbeil wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Alan Shoemaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bob....you also need to include umask=0 on that line in > > > > > > /etc/fstab. > > > > > > > > > > Must be a fairly new requirement, or there's a > difference in the > > > default > > > > > umask value between RH 5.1 and Mandrake, because I > don't need umask=0 > > > to be > > > > > able to write to my dos partitions. I merely set it > to noauto,rw and > > > this > > > > > is adequate. > > > > > > > > > > The only reason you'ld need to included umask=0 is > because of the > > > > > system-wide default value for it, probably defined in > /etc/profile or > > > > > /etc/bashrc. This may also depend on whether you're > allowing only > > > root to > > > > > write or make changes to the dos partitions, or also > allowing users. > > > I > > > > > don't give users access to my dos partitions, albeit > it's a standalone > > > > > system and I'm the only user anyway. > > > > > > > > > > I read somewhere, recently, that umask should be set > to 0 in the > > > system-wide > > > > > login scripts, but that's the opinion of one author > of documentation. > > > If, > > > > > however, you're going to set umask to 0 for the dos > partition(s), then > > > you > > > > > might want to simply set the system-wide value to > this anyway, which > > > means > > > > > you wouldn't need to include this in fstab. > > > > > > > > > > You'ld need to do some research through various > documents which touch > > > upon > > > > > this subject, before taking my word as gospel. > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cox Family wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another stumper for me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to make a new directory on the DOS > partition that I > > > could > > > > > > > put some WP8 files in (because the apostrophe > comes out on the > > > printer > > > > > > > as something stupid in Linux right now) and it > said I didn't have > > > > > > > permission. I checked the "fstab" and hda1 > includes "user" in > > > > > > > permissions. I checked properties by > right-clicking on the icon > > > and it > > > > > > > includes user, group and others for both read and write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so I made the directory as super-user, gave it "a+rwx" > > > permissions, > > > > > > > and still couldn't save a file in it. Access > denied. No permission > > > to > > > > > > > write or what ever.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, what am I missing here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > >
