Charles....sorry if you took offense, as I didn't mean to be
offensive. I certainly did misinterpret 'set up' to refer to
installation, my mistake. If you don't care for my phrase
'step backward' then just what does '7.1 will be much more
difficult to set up and use than 7.0' actually mean? It
certainly doesn't imply 'better' to me, so I think that 'step
backward' or 'worse' do seem to apply. Your conclusion seems
negative to me and my impressions about version 7.1 were all
positive. That's why I spoke up. Again I'm sorry if you took
offense. I simply do not agree with your last statement
(conclusion) and said so. No offense and no malice was
intended. Insert smiley here ---> :-)
Alan
P.S. IMHO any newbie who downloads their first install of
Linux instead of buying a documented package is truly nuts,
and is asking for big problems, but this has nothing to do
with the particular disto or version as it applies to them
all.
Charles A Edwards wrote:
>
> Alan
> I made no statement regarding the installation process of 7.1. I too
> think it was actually easier to install than 7.0
> My use of setup was in referance to getting hardware configured and
> working, connectting to the internet and those type of set up task that you
> must do to use and take advantage of Mandrake.
> Making my observation I tried to put myself in the place of someone who
> was coming from a Windows enviroment
> and had never used Linux. I am still of the opinion that it would be to the
> advantage of said person to buy Mandrake 7.1 Complete (when it becomes
> available) rather than downloading the ISO files. When I am first learning
> something I prefer to have Docs. and manual in hand allowing me to search
> for any needed info or problem resolution as well as educating me in the OS,
> its behavior and its abilities. You get these with Complete you do not with
> the ISO. (As an added bonus you also help support Mandrake and its
> evolution.)
> In reference to the multiple programs, I mentioned these only because at
> least half the Discussion post have commented on mutiples in 7.0. To me you
> can never have enough programs. If you are running low on space get a bigger
> hd.
> I have carefuly re-read my original post and no where there in do I find
> the word "backwards", either used or implied.
> If my post struck a nerve in you I am sorry. You are more than welcome
> to ask me for clarification on any statement I ever make and to post your
> own, but I will not accept you presuming to tell me what I believe.
>
> Charles
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Charles A Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [[newbie] Discussion: Changes Found in Mandrake 7.1
>
> > Charles A Edwards wrote:
> > > I Will make this statement regarding it. If you install via ISO
> rather
> > > than buying, and have never used Mandrake
> > > before: 7.1 will be much more difficult to set up and use than 7.0 .
> > >
> >
> > Charles....I copied the last paragraph of the below quoted
> > message and put it above to respond to it.
> >
> > I don't really understand why you say "7.1 will be much more
> > difficult to set up and use than 7.0 ." It does not appear to
> > me to be more difficult for anyone to either use or install,
> > newbie or not. It is IMHO, just as easy to install as 7.0
> > at the very least. What is it that IYHO, makes it more
> > difficult? The possibility of additional choices after the
> > installation, the need to change CD's when told to do so
> > during the installation? What?
> >
> > With so many more programs already installed and on the menu
> > system for easy launching, I think that it is much easier for
> > the newbie just because it won't be necesssary to go out,
> > find, and install a desired program only to run into
> > installation problems, dependency problems, launching
> > problems, problems creating a menu entry (or desktop
> > icon)....etc.
> >
> > Linux Mandrake 7.1 sure seems to me to be a significant step
> > forward in Linux user friendliness, not a backwards one as you
> > seem to feel it is. :-)
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > > LILO is no more instead GRUB is used as the boot loader.( During
> > > installation I was given no option in this. It was installed automaticly
> and
> > > I was given no option to create a boot disk. If this will be true in the
> > > final release or only applies to the Beta I do not know.)
> > > The How To included with 7.1 are the same as in 7.0 so you can not
> use
> > > them to implement any of the additional features of 7.1 .
> > > Your computer USB controller is now automaticlly seen by Mandrake
> > > allowing for the use of additionl USB devices such as modems and Zip
> > > drives. Even then they only work with a direct computer connection not
> if
> > > you use a USB hub.
> > > Several programs/enhancements have been added:
> > > DVD Player
> > > ICQ clone
> > > Quick Time and MP3 player
> > > Win Amp clone
> > > Ati TV Tuner/drivers
> > > DOS and even a Windows imulator
> > > more......
> > > The included programs have nearly doubled as evidenced by the fact
> that
> > > 7.1 consisted of 2 ISO image files with a combined size of almost 1100MB
> > > The increased number of programs has also increased the number of
> > > duplicate type programs: multiple; text editors, chat programs, 4 CD
> burner
> > > programs, image viewers, and others that did not jump right out at me.
> > > Kppp has been changed to an Internet icon on the desktop though
> setting
> > > it up is the same.
> > > The biggest noticeable change is in KDE. All programs and options are
> now
> > > available through its menu. You can completly fill your screen ten fold
> with
> > > menu screen and still not have opened them all. You feel like a mouse in
> a
> > > maze except that someone cheated and blocked all the corridors.Instead
> of
> > > becoming easier to use KDE has become more complicated.
> > > As I said I have been using 7.1 for 1 day and then only for a couple
> of
> > > hours so I am not making any judgements as to its abilitites or to its
> > > worrthiness as a successor to 7.0. Those observations can only be made
> after
> > > using 7.1 for a significant ammount of time and becoming familiar with
> all
> > > its nuances and inhancements.
> > > I Will make this statement regarding it. If you install via ISO
> rather
> > > than buying, and have never used Mandrake
> > > before: 7.1 will be much more difficult to set up and use than 7.0 .
> > >
> > > Charles
> >
