answering 6/18 posting from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Brinkman)

Tom,
    You are correct that the UPS has surge/spike protection within it (at 
least all of them that I've run across).  And, I've found that the 
surge/spike protection built in to the UPS rivals the best separate units 
available [I had a data corruption problem where surge/spike effectiveness 
was obvious] -- remember that I bought good surge/spikes and UPSs, your 
mileage may vary.  None-the-less I've always used a surge/spike before my UPS 
and (later on) a surge/spike/RFI after.  
    I replaced my UPS with a new APC 650VA earlier this year.  I don't 
remember reading anything saying not to also use surge/spikes inline [though 
you are correct that it would not strictly be needed], but remember that I 
volunteered to being paranoid about this.  I've had data problems caused by 
powerline irregularities and fixed them with surge/spike and UPS additions.  
[I also recommended a surge/spike & UPS combination to one of my customers 
when I was a technician and had that customer's problems were cut over 90%.  
I guess nothing is 100%.]  
    Even if APC did recommend use of no other in-line surge/spike units, 
unless there was a VERY good reason for not doing it, I would run extra 
surge/spikes anyway.  Better surge/spike units use better components and will 
stand up to more line abuse before beginning to deteriorate, but the problem 
remains:  ALL surge/spikes deteriorate with exposure to powerline 
overvoltages that are in their working range, and there is no way to tell 
this without laboratory instrumentation.  With cheap surge/spike units 
combined with bad line conditions it might be wise to replace the unit every 
six months.  Normally you do not replace one at all unless it took a serious 
"hit" [you can usually test if it is dead, it will be shorted].  If 
something's going to have to be replaced early I'd rather it was $50 to $100 
for a surge/spike, not $300+ for a UPS.  I put the newest & best surge/spike 
nearest to the computer, and the oldest next to the power line.  In this 
configuration my APC has automatically handled low line voltage conditions 
and momentary outages easily.  In Windows, where I have UPS monitoring 
software, everything is reported & metered just as it should be.
-Gary-

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