In a message dated 10/29/2000 6:10:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< In a message dated 29-Oct-00 16:44:16 Central Standard Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > Uhm...there's a failsafe (simple) mode set up with LILO as well.  I guess 
 > I'm confused as you guys talk as though you don't understand the idea of 
 > passwords.  If you can get into your Linux box by simply booting and 
 > selecting failsafe without a password, what's the point of passwords at 
all?
 > 
 have no clue but it works on my system, if no one else can reproduce it so 
be 
 it, however unless you have mistrusting roomates, or a micheivious child 
 there is no real point in it when you access from failsafe, however the 
 passwords are in place to prevent a network login, that is where security 
 needs to be greatest.
 all of my roomates are windows dweebs or completely computer illiterate so i 
 never have to worry about linux being hacked and i use a cmos password 
 anyways no one on this base knows how to get passed that, sure there is a 
way 
 but you have to tear this laptop completely apart to get at the jumpers!
  >>

To clear a CMOS password you don't need to alter jumpers.  With the computer 
unplugged, all you have to do is remove all batteries and wait.  The button 
battery that powers the COMS memory often tips and slides sideways out of its 
holder.  Sometimes sufficient power bleeds from another source to keep the 
CMOS intact, thats why I say to disconnect everything.  15 seconds usually 
works, though I've had to wait as much as 30 min.  The CMOS information will 
clear, including the CMOS password.  Reinsert the batteries, repower and 
change things as you will.  In rare instances where there is a physical 
jumper for password use, the password may change to something generic which 
varies according to BIOS brand.  So don't feel over confident about your 
security.  It depends upon what the other person is willing to do (the 
trouble they are willing to go to).  -Gary-

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