not deluded...just have an appreciation and a working understanding of
what harware standards and software compatibilities are and what they
mean.
--
Mark
/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
* in order to get the rats up from below decks
* so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
*
* REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
*/
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 Jeff Malka had this to say!
> You are dead on correct. The situation is precisely as you describe even
> though enthousiasts insis on deluding themselves..
>
> Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Registered Linux user 183185
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Grubb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux v Windows
>
>
> I'd just like to add my $0.02 here, at the risk of heading OT and being
> inundated with flames.
>
> I whole-heartedly agree Linux is a far-better, quality system than certain
> other OSs, and I have enjoyed many months of learning and working with it,
> and I look forward to many more years of learning. But (there always has to
> be a 'but', doesn't there :) - I'm a computer enthusiast - I work with
> computers: fixing problems, deploying systems, supporting users etc. I go
> home and I play with my computer - the case is never bolted on coz I'm
> forever pulling out cards and trying different hardware. I have stacks of
> CDs spread across the room coz I'm forever trying new OSs, apps and games -
> and when something breaks I enjoy fixing it.
>
> Trouble is, not everyone out there is an enthusiast like those on this
> mailing list - I've seen this analogy elsewhere many times, but I think it
> is worth repeating: Most people buy a car simply so they can drive around -
> they don't care what is under the hood. A lot add ornaments or extra bits
> because thats what they like. Very few actually care what is under the hood,
> let alone have any idea how to tinker with it.
> Most computer users (note: users, not enthusiests) just want the computer to
> work - it needs to be easy for them to stick their ornaments or extra bits
> in - but they're not interested in "tricky" things like dependancies,
> command lines etc (personnally I would prefer if everyone in the office were
> forced to use a command line once in a while...)
>
> At present, Linux is still relatively complex to set up and use, however it
> is progressing at a rapid pace.
>
> But until it reaches the point that your average Joe Bloggs (sorry Joe, just
> picking a name out of the air :) who works in the bakery down the street,
> can go home, turn on his Linux box that he picked up from his local
> electrical store, stick in a new game and be up and running in 5 minutes -
> it just isn't going to be popular to the mainstream public.
>
> My apologies for the rant peoples, just been seeing red over this sort of
> thing for a while.
>
>
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> David Grubb - Internet / Intranet Developer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 2 9895-7913
> Department of Land & Water Conservation
> Sydney, Australia
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> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04 2:53 pm >>>
> it _has_ an "install-shield". It just doesn't happen to look like the one
> thats in windows. Nor should it. there are some things, I would agree,
> that need to change, but one of them isn't becoming windows, or even
> Windows-like. Since I became a Linux user two years ago I've watched first
> RedHat progress forward with their presentation and the installation
> methods employed by their developers and now Mandrake for the past 9
> months. I'd say that they've come a long way in a short time. I for one am
> glad that they spend more time on making sure that the product that
> they're releasing to the public is coded and working correctly rather than
> making sure its a hands-off breeze to install and get working.
>
> Reading is fundamental. that used to be a famous little slogan that
> everyone was familiar with on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons
> and in the Linux world it is still very true. Linux may not jump out-a the
> box and onto your harddrive ready for you to cruise the internet with
> "no" effort, but then again it doesn't need rebooted 2-3 times a day and
> doesn't cost between $300 and $700 per copy per machine either.
>
> Lets remember that what you've got on your computer is one of the most
> stable operating systems that many of us have ever seen and most of us
> haven't paid a penny for, but "many" have spent Loooooooooooooooong hours
> coding, debugging, checking and rechecking...I could go on and on, but I
> need to get down off this soap box before I get a nose bleed.
>
> I think these few reasons are more than enough to bring Linux to a place
> of world domination. All that is needed is that intelligent folks first
> need to stop fearing what they aren't able to readily understand in a few
> seconds, and be willing to put in a little time and effort to get
> completley configured. What you end up with in the end is a machine that
> is as solid as a rock provided the user did a little planning ahead of
> time and made sure all their "hardware" ducks are in a row thereby
> avoiding any unpleasant surprises.
>
>
> --
> Mark
>
> / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
> * in order to get the rats up from below decks
> * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
> *
> * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
> */
>
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> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 onepatrick had this to say!
>
> > Mr Monster wrote:
> > >
> > > Right, Ive been reading the mails about the pros and cons of
> > > Linux/Windows...
> > >
> > > Im running Mandrake 7.2 now, with not so much as a hiccup, everything is
> > > doing what it should, when it should - just the way i like it, and the
> way i
> > > suspect most other folks do too.....
> > >
> > > I have one little problem.. I have a Primax USB scanner, and on visiting
> > > their website - have discovered they dont support linux drivers for
> their
> > > hardware, which is a little dissapointing to say the least...
> > > So I went searching, and found another site...probably run by a couple
> of
> > > guys in their own time, and unpaid, who are writing source and trying
> their
> > > best to get drivers for Primax scanners under Linux - These guys deserve
> a
> > > big jug of beer!!!
> >
> > and if they dont like beer a big glass of juice :)
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The Point????
> >
> >
> > and now a drum roll
> >
> > Linux will never win its way into peoples homes until
> > > manufacturers decide to start porting their code to linux, so us people
> at
> > > home can use our digicams, scanners etc... just as easy as ever!
> (without
> > > even so much as a chmod.... etc)
> >
> > i would ag4ee. for linux to really take off there must be some sort
> > of install shield for it. without it linux will never dominiate the
> > world. i cant believe hasnt thought of it before.
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I dunno if this means anything, or indeed if it makes sense....but dont
> all
> > > shout at me at once :-)
> > > And just in case you are all wondering ... yep I had to use M$ to scan
> my
> > > pics tonight :(
> > >
> >
> > ok, there are a few areas where linux is still catching up. there are a
> > few
> > areas in which linux is ahead. scanners unfortunately for u are one of
> > the
> > behind places
> >
> >
> > > Graham Kerr
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://www.btinternet.com/~kerr.monster
> > >
> > > Reg. User 153258
> >
>
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