I know it was a verbose post but there were 2 points which you missed. You
suggest to "choose the expert mode". Would that I could. As I said: "In
fact, there were only 2 choices: 300MB minimal and custom installations."
As to "DO NOT choose 100% of the packages unless.." <snip>, I'd agree
entirely were there any other way to have installed KDE or Gnome. I
encourage you to read the details of why I did this and my point at having
writen it (which was to say that all 7.2 versions are not created equally
and that what works in one package may not work in another even if the
manual says it will). Thanks for the link; I'd been to that page but had
forgotten how I got there. While I anticipate I'll have downloaded both
ISO files before the update arrives here, I may be pleasantly surprised to
find it sooner.
By the way; I found a link to a site where several US national chains of
retailers are detailed as to specific modems they stock, with prices and
whether or not they've been tested on Linux machines. Look about 2/3 down
the page just below the colored charts. It's here:
<http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html>
Anyone know of a way to decide for certain if a modem will work in Linux
other than testing it? My clue to a so-called winmodem in my case is that
I typically work on a small budget and would have gone for a $30 - $40
modem rather than a $60 or more model (and those seem more often soft
modems) plus, when I tried accessing it in Linux, I go "sorry, the modem is
busy" when I knew it wasn't. Cable looks even better right now. I don't
think it's available here yet, though.
Dave
> On Sunday 21 January 2001 22:03, you wrote:
> > > How can i install ppp ????
> >
> > This is interesting. Did your copy also come from Wal-Mart?
> >
> > I have a boxed version of 7.2 Complete which, I'm told, may not be so
> > complete. Among other things, it's KDE 2.0 is not the final version but a
> > Beta. Apparently, a disk is now on it's way to amend. Thing is, I also
> > got the message that it couldn't find the ppp daemon (pppd) and that I
> > should install it. I dug out RpmDrake and found the files related to pppd
> > (there were 2, I think) and prepared to install them along with
> > Enlightenment and the parts of Gnome that weren't installed initially. It
> > kept telling me that it couldn't communicate with the CD ROM (though it's
> > actually a CD-RW and there are 2 of them in Device Manager though only one
> > on my machine.. in addition to a CD-ROM which appears as it should in
> > Device Manager). That's another issue to swim through. I may also have a
> > Winmodem. Rats.
> >
> > In this version of LM 7.2, the KDE is in Beta as I say. I have 2 users set
> > up: "dave" and "root". The kicker in root works fine and looks just as it
> > did in the screen shots on the web tutorials. However, there is no kicker
> > loaded (and a message telling me so) in dave. (Side note: When does a
> > single user of a machine use root and, in this case, dave?) Apparently,
> > this is one of the issues that the update disk they're sending will solve.
> >
> > More frustratingly, one of many, many points of difference between the
> > software and the manual included with it is illustrated on page 64 of the
> > manual. In that illustration, the text in the window (of available
> > packages from which to choose to install) shows KDE and quite a number of
> > others which are not evident in my installation screen and the ones both
> > (the manual and my software version) share in common are in a different
> > order. The first two times I installed Linux (never used it before Friday
> > night), I selected all the available options but 2; one on personal
> > finances and another for Palm Pilot device interfaces, neither of which I
> > have. <g> About 75% of the data in this 4 minute install came from the
> > first disk with the remainder coming from the second (of the 4 in the
> > package).
> >
> > Below that window is a button to install all components. That choice does
> > install KDE and Gnome (but only 2 other desktop environments, not
> > Enlightenment, BlackBox or any others that looked interesting in the
> > tutorials on the website). Strangely, all but the last 10 seconds of data
> > of a 6 minute install came from the first disk.
> >
> > If the manual said a particular choice detailed there might not be a choice
> > for either recommended or custom modes, it was not not available in this
> > package's custom instalation. Even if the manual warned only that it may
> > not be an available choice in recommended mode installations, it was not
> > available in the custom mode of this early 7.2 version of LM. In fact,
> > there were only 2 choices: 300MB minimal and custom installations. There
> > are many other differences, too.
> >
> > What I'm going to do is to just play with what I have for now. As soon as
> > I can get a fully functional copy of less dubious integrity, I'll work more
> > diligently to make my hardware work. With this arrangement, I am thinking
> > it futile. Maybe what I'll do to pacify myself in the meanwhile is to buy
> > a modem (to replace my 33.6 winmodem) that is possibly capable of faster
> > download speeds, set up my download manager in Win98 and download the ISO
> > images for the disks from the web. I am glad to have the manual and the
> > books and so forth on the other 2 disks but darn-it, it sure would be nice
> > to have a copy that works.
> >
> > I am glad to have gotten this far in one weekend, though. I delayed Linux
> > for close to 2 years, unsure that I'd be able to "do" it. I've read the Re
> > Hat newslist from time to time and it appeared as though people, much
> > brighter than I about computers, struggled to install and configure it.
> > Universally, people seem broadly satisfied with the system and so I figure
> > it'll be worth the effort. I was surprised at how easily I could run a
> > dual OS drive, the choice made with Grub at boot. I did have some
> > partitioning to do both before (with Partition Magic) and during
> > installation but they went without a hitch. I see no evidence in Windows
> > that Linux even exists on the same machine (and visa versa so far). My old
> > PM v. 3.0 had no trouble resizing and moving partions already in existence
> > to accomodate the Linux files.
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Emiliano Ogando wrote:
> > > How can i install ppp ????
> > > Please an easy way...
civileme wrote:
>
> Install in expert mode....
>
> DO NOT choose 100% of the packages unless you go for individual package
> selection afterward and make sure you do not install printpro, or Zope or any
> of the Glide packages (unless you have a Voodoo 3dfx in which case install
> ONLY the one for your card). 75-80% is a good number, but again make SURE
> printpro is not installed. (It replaces the cups daemon with one of its own
> and when printing stops a month later... )
>
> When the update disk arrives, follow the special install instructions given at
>
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/72last.php3
>
> in the case that you do try the expert install.
>
> Another word, if you have a video card capable of 3D acceleration with
> XFree-4.0.1, do not deviate from the resolution suggested by the installer.
> Most cards will work 3D accel only from 65000 colors (16-bit depth) and
> choosing another depth will break accel permanently. Once installed, you can
> change resolution, and it may break accel until you change it back or it may
> not, but during install anything other than 16 bit depth will cause a needed
> driver NOT to be loaded.
>
> Civileme
>
> Civileme
>
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Dave Burrows
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