i have just had to reboot to kill two processes that i otherwise couldn't 
kill; cdda2wav and cdrecord, both were left running after xcdroast crashed, 
and although i issued the command 'kill (pid here)' they were still running, 
repeating the command did not give the 'no such pid' error and ksysguard 
still showed them running with the same pid, is there some other guaranteed 
way to kill processes, i needed to kill them because i was unable to restart 
xcdroast and it seemed obvious that these two errant processes were the 
reason why,

tia bascule

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