Those links are all find and dandy, but not for a MAILING list. Those are unwritten and accepted ruls for NEWSGROUPS, which this is not. The reason why those are so accepted and enforced on news groups, is because 100% of all newsreaders I've used, show the original post and responses right there with the message. So quoting a post is really only for the person that reads a post, then deletes the thread. That would be the only need for hugely quoted message. However, mailing lists are entirely different. Some people don't include any of the message they're responding to, and as I've noticed in working envirnment, replies that come in several days AFTER the original message was sent, catches the person of guard. Not sure what email is about, so they then go searching for the message they sent. Also in the case of this mailing list, we have a lot of questions asked about KMail. So we know a lot of people on the list are using that, and of course there's pine. Neither one of these readers will sort out the mail into threads. So you can have the original question sent in at noon, the first response comes in at a 2. But in that two our time span, 25 other messages come in. So rather then just replying and hoping people can find the post it was a reply to, they add what they're replying to. And this is really only a courtesy for those have readers like this. So that's why it's placed at the bottom. For those of us that use mail readers that support threading in the reader, what's the point of going through and reading something I've already read in order to read what's new? Or having to scroll all the way to the bottom because people quote an entire message. And even to bypass all the things have been said about it, this is a NEWBIE list. Most of these people joined this list because they found something on a web page some place hearing it was a great source of help. Of those people, a lot of those have never been on a higher traffic mailing list like this. They respond to the email as they've always responded to emails! I know a lot of people "bottom-post" because that's where the cursor is in their mail reader. And they don't know how to change that configuration, and don't care to respond at the top of the post. I've been on this list and contributed for almost a year now, and suddenly this bicker is started. If you want to enforce newsgroup rules, then find a Mandrake newsgroup to do such. But as for a mailing list, consisting of people who most likely don't spend much time on any newsgroups, just deal with it. My only complaint about the list is that MajorDomo now attaches the foot.header mess, and using mutt, it looks like an attachment, so I have the attachment indicator in the middle of my messages. [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 8bit, Size: 3.8K --] I'm sure I could have that mess removed in my ~/.muttrc but I don't feel like trying to find out what's needed and adding it. My ~/.muttrc for this mailbox is already like 180 lines long. tdh -- T. Holmes ----------------- UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----------------- "Real Men Use Vi!" Uptime: -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3:30pm up 8 days, 21:14, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -------------------------------------------------------------------- | On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:20:42PM -0500, Tom Brinkman wrote: | Tom, sorrry I disagree strongly. Top posting is never appropriate. | | Please peruse the following links: | | <http://www.malibutelecom.fi/yucca/usenet/brox.html> | <http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html> | <http://fmf.fwn.rug.nl/~anton/topposting.html> | | And last but not least: | >From rfc1855 [located at the FAQ org] | | If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you | summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just | enough text of the original to give a context. This will make | sure readers understand when they start to read your response. | Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the | postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a | response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context | helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! | | -- | Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764 | ---------------------------- | /~\ | 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / | you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain. X | Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email / \ ------------------------------------------------------------------
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