civileme wrote:
> On Monday 27 August 2001 21:11, brown1302 wrote:
> 
>>WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!!!!!!  THERE ARE OTHER
>>VENUES FOR THIS CRAP>
>>
> 
> Ummm, there is a sense of community on this list.  The folks who like to criticize 
>each other have
> many homes on the internet, but this is one of the places where we can and do afford 
>to provide
> a pleasant experience most of the time as well as help a few people solve problems 
>and learn a 
> little more about their computers and Operating Systems.
> 
> Ronald J. Hall has been here a while and has provided a lot of help on this and some 
>other lists and
> has functioned as one of the guinea pigs for our latest and greatest (which is 
>sometimes great at 
> corrupting files and such).  I suppose this could have been given an OT banner for 
>the folks who
> pay for every message they read, but other than that, it does further this sense of 
>community.
> 
> If you want to call this "crap" and yell in all caps on this list as a regular 
>practice, then my email burden
> will increase as people will be asking how to set up filters for your posts.  This 
>is not a threat or a
> warning or a yellow card, just a statement of fact.  Keep the list a pleasant place 
>to be, and make
> criticisms in a civil manner or people will most likely ignore you, leaving you with 
>a linux manual 
> for company when you actually need help.
> 
> Civileme
> 
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I second the motion.  Tom (Brinkman), Sridhar and civileme are names 
used around my house and among offline Linux friends in my area.  I 
smiled at the letter about this fellow's wedding plans, I shook my head 
in shared frustration when John Simmons was overwhelmed by his 
installation struggles, and I grinned when I saw our de facto tribal 
elder civileme opening this reply with the word "Ummm".  The last one 
was so significant because it made me realize just how much of a 
concrete community this group was, the fact that this slight twist on 
civile's normal to-the-point personality was significant to me and made 
me smile.  This is what online forums should be.  Hell, there aren't 
even many good communities available OFFLINE in today's world.  I enjoy 
hearing about Ronald's wedding and I look forward to similarly pleasant 
anecdotes along the way as I grow out of my newbie boots.

Even from a strictly strategic perspective, it is in the best interests 
of LM as a company to encourage these types of community building 
discussions, else all the current newbies will simply outgrow this list 
and move on to the expert one.  To extend the thought, this will 
eventually lead to some portion of the LM population outgrowing LM 
itself to move on to a Debian/BSD system that is seen as more 
high-level.  The building of communities like this mailing list will 
keep the current "newbies" around long after their newbie-ship, and the 
combination of their free tech support and their brand loyalty will 
prove priceless to LM in the long run.  So kudos to civileme for giving 
a quasi-official stamp of approval to this fledgling online community.

  - Isaac



"The working man cannot. . . repurchase that which he has produced for 
his master. It is thus with all trades whatsoever. . . since, producing 
for a master who in one form or another makes a profit, they are obliged 
to pay more for their own labour than they get for it."

  - Proudon, "What is Property"

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