I think the argument of whether or not various topics should be allowed in 
this list or not has gotten a bit out of hand. Lets quickly look at both 
sides and see if we can come to a conclusion. 

        First we have those that want to post about seemingly unrelated topics. 
Should this be allowed? The argument has been made that some people have to 
pay for access and should be spared the undue burden of paying for time to 
download messages of a non-relevant topic. While this may be a good reason, 
it's being argued by the wrong person/people. I have not read a single post 
from someone who is on a pay per minute/hour type account and who feels 
burdened by this. By allowing posts of an unrelated nature we do run the risk 
of this becoming an open forum to discuss anything and everything. There are 
better places for discussing unrelated topics if it's ongoing.
        Second we have those who wish to post about seemingly unrelated topics in 
this list for several reasons, one of them being that they feel comfortable 
with those that frequent this list. Trajedy affects different people in 
different ways. Some need to quietly reflect and work through it on their 
own. Others need to talk to someone, anyone about what has happened. We each 
have our own way of coping with sorrow and loss. Once you have been on a 
mailing list for a while, it starts to become familiar and you feel safe 
within the list. You build friendships and you start to know one another. You 
feel safe discussing things with other members of the list that you wouldn't 
want to discuss with strangers so rather than go to a different list and 
discuss these things with strangers, you discuss them here among friends.
        This list is for the people by the people and if we as a whole want to allow 
off topic conversations, then we should allow it. If not, we shouldn't. 
Either way, we need to remain respectful of each other and not let our 
emotions get the best of us. I've seen several postings come through that 
were nothing more than attacks on other members of the list. That is uncalled 
for.
        We all have (or at least we all should have) a delete key as well as most of 
us have filters that can block messages (to some extent) that we don't wish 
to receive. I don't mind receiving emails about other topics. I joined the 
list to offer assistance on any subjects that I am familiar with as I have 
often struggled with Linux over the last 18 months since my first 
installation. I have worked through a lot of problems and have had along the 
way and I'd like to help others. But that help doesn't have to end with 
Linux. We are all human. We all feel pain, sorrow, loss, etc. Most of us feel 
very bad about what happened recently and the impact that the events will 
have on the families directly affected as well as our nation and the world. 
We need to be able to express ourselves when the need arises without worrying 
about which list we are posting too or whether the topic is relevant. If I 
receive a post that I don't care about, I can hit the delete key and it's 
gone, end of story (I don't as I always keep everything just in case I want 
to refer back).
        I suggest that before anyone gets offended to the poing of leaving the list, 
we have a show of hands, or in this case a show of posts as to who wants to 
allow other postings, and who does not. I'll start by saying that I am in 
favor of allowing off topic postings as long as they do not flood the list. A 
few here and there don't hurt anything. We are here for Mandrake Linux but 
there are other things to life and sometimes we need to discuss those other 
things.

Gary

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