OK, I could understand the point about how bad winmodems are. But, I can
proudly say that my winmodem is working really fine with Mandrake 8.0. It is
a Motorola SM56. Probably the CPU is working harder but it is its duty ;-),
after all I bought an Athlon 700 to be plenty of computational power :-).

By the way, I want to say that Linux Mandrake is a wonderfull OS, and it is
the first distribution that started fighting Windows in its own territory:
"being user frendly". My humble opinion is that if Linux wants to grow up as
a real alternative OS, it has to be user friendly. I mean that people in
general want a OS that "melts" with the hardware without work, cause they
want the computer just like a tool in order to connect to internet, play a
game, edit documents, etc. And I have to accept that Microsoft understood
that need and acted accordingly. Of course I understand too, that Windows is
very unstable, that is hardware greedy, that it might be considered like a
pseudo OS, etc. but people paradojically is happy with it :-(.

I think it is because it is easy to install. I think that if Linux does not
support software modems, it is limiting its potential market and if you
don't have market you don't have power to lure the hardware companies in
order to support your operative system. I think it is a vicious circle and I
think Linux has to give the first step in order to break it. Mandrake has
done it, making an almost perfect and easy way to recognize hardware.

Summing up, software modems are not real modems, but they are cheap and they
are very common (in fact almost all PCI modems are software modems), a lot
of people have them, and if trying Linux means to throw it away many of them
quit trying Linux, and that is not good for Linux itself.

Regards,

Rafael Lepra


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De: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Ric
Enviado el: mi�rcoles, 03 de octubre de 2001 17:07
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems




Alan Shoemaker wrote:

> etharp wrote:
>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Joe....the real winmodem problem is better explained
>>>below by the two selected quotes from Rick Moen's
>>>linuxmafia.com website:
>>>
>>>http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/
>>>


The link is well worth a vist.
Also, to put this in a better light for those that don't get the point
of winmodems (IE: Can't understand why they need to buy a "real" modem)

In short (I hate typing long winded explanations).
Winmodems were produced to accomplish 2 things:

1) Reduce the cost of computers by reducing the cost of the components.
Winmodems are much less expensive to produce since they lack the
circuitry of a real modem. It's basically just a interface to a phone
jack. The OS then has to act as the modem, putting asignificant load on
the CPU.
Yes, the CPU can usually bear the load of doing the work the Modem is
supposed to. And if you're only interested in running games, and surfing
the net, then you won't notice this, and probably don't need Linux
anyway. Personally, I use my Linux boxes for other things, and I want
the hardware to do what it's supposed to, so that my CPU can do what
"it's" supposed to.

2) To marry you to Windows.
Once you're running Win(crap) hardware, you "can't" defect, and run an
alternative OS. Usually the cost & inconvenience of upgrading that $100
speed demon box to a real computer is more than the average user will
bear. Thus cementing their aligence to M$. Afterall, why change when
M$(crap) is so cheap?!? Why should I spend more on hardware just to run
Linux...

If you want to run a real OS, you'll need real hardware. Haven't you
wondered why a "workstation class" machine is so much more expensive?
It's build to last, with quality parts. The bargain basement "Multimedia
Windows" desktop machines just don't have that quality. They're the ones
that cause so many people, so many "odd" problems.

You gets whats you pays for.
Ok, enough of my rant.

Ric

JHMO


>>
>
> You're quite welcome. :)
>
>
>><'nother snip>
>>
>>>Theoretically, programmers could write substitute
>>>"engine" software for non-MS-Windows operating systems.
>>>This would have to be done separately for each OS and for
>>>each modem-type crippled in some distinctive way.
>>>Further, it would entail reverse-engineering each such
>>>design's programming interface, without cooperation from
>>>manufacturers who classify this as proprietary
>>>information. In any event, programmers seem highly
>>>unlikely to bother, because they find it far easier to
>>>buy real modems, instead.
>>>
>>not to mention a jail term in the USA due to the DCMA.
>>
>
> True, that's a definate possibility, and I'm somewhat
> surprised that Rick hasn't yet updated the paragraph to
> reflect that danger. :)
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