Yeah, I agree, I just disagree with some of your statements, particularly the idea that Microsoft would be developing windows as a charity if they didn't have hidden tricks to make their apps "appear" better and faster. Windows is their biggest Cash cow, there is no argueing that..
They have been proven to be a money hungry monopoly, there is no denying that either.. there is nothing wrong with a company being money hungry, but when they use developers to get their monopoly (by marketing windows as the platform everyone is releasing apps for) and then making those same developers make half assed apps by not giving then the same advantages that M$ themselves use.. That is patently unfair, and shouldn't be permitted. They got their cashcow because of the developers... they should be forced to not engage in practices that put those develops out of business.. since they would not have gotten their monopoly without them. I have studied this with a great deal of interest over the years.. And I have read huge amouonts of stuff on it, and all of it indicates that M$ know that in the end, they can drag things on for ever, and just continue with the way they are doing things, and they will eventually get away with it.. (the IE debarkle proves that,, M$ kept shipping IE with the OS the whole time of the trial and still are... that sort of proves my point wouldnt' you say?) rgds Frank PS, sorry I said you liked windows, that was uncalled for. :-) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Greer Sent: Friday, 26 October 2001 11:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Mandrake 7.2? on 10/26/01 10:12 AM, Franki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As for your comment on it being fine for M$ to use the kernel instead of the > API's then you havent been reading the thread on this, there are heaps of > reasons why that shouldn't be done. security realiability... etc.. > It's hardly good coding practice, but it's also not illegal. If MS wants to make shoddy stuff, I'd say that's their choice. > By can you honestly say you can think of a "nice" way for a company to > use shortcuts that no-one else has access to? Sure, use your knowledge of the OS to create a better application. > If M$ won't let any OEM's sell linux or > any > other OS dual boot with windows, and you need an OS, then people are not > going > to have a choise (I am talking about newbies here.) Yes, and that is wrong and most likely illegal. they will get windows, > and > if what you say is correct, they will use Office, IE, msm messanger, and all > the > other MS apps that have put their competition out of business or dangerously > close > to it.. I did not say that at all. I stated I think it's wrong to bolt the MS apps into Windows. Windows should ship like MacOS does, with very little added on. > > Not a future I want... what about you? > Nope. It's also not at all what I was talking about. Whether I think MS is good for the industry is an entirely different matter. I'm simply saying that MS gets accused of illegal practices when not all of them are illegal. I'd love to see MS put in their place, but not by a lynch mob. > One last point I would bring up, Microsoft got windows to where it is by > using > the developers, not by any technical merit of the OS itself.. It's rare that a product is successful on quality alone. Marketing, savvy business decisions, smart contracts (which is what bit Apple), and such are usually what make a product successful. There's no denying MS is very good at that. > and they all jumped on board... not knowing that M$ would > use their own software ideas to put them out of business one by one... > Which is possibly illegal, it depends on how its done. Many of the ways MS has done it is probably illegal. > The Windows you speak so highly of Woah, woah. I've never spoken highly of Windows in my life. It's quite possibly the worst family of OSes ever made. > NT/2000/XP was based on work by IBM if > I > remember correctly. they split off, and went their seperate ways and from > that > single code body immerged OS2 and windows NT Microsoft and IBM co-developed OS2. I just don't think many people can objectively look at Microsoft. Way too many emotions brewing. Matt _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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