damn Jon, you are Certainly full of your self..... CivilMe is one of those that understand and make the company work. Only a self sold salesman would be so damn blind to the "real" world to make a statement that the only folks that count are salesman. have you considered that _your_ (and I do mean) Slanted view might be considered very Bourgeois and basicly asinine? being multi-syllabic does not make you intelligent, just windy, and altho that may work in the world o sales, in the world of technicians, it does not wash my shorts. Sales people willingly tell stories about things they have no real Idea about, since their reputation is built on sales, and not on the satisfaction of customers. that is the basic reason we get a different answer to the question of is the product a good one, when you ask the salesman and the technician or mechanic. while it is important for the salesman to have great confidence in his self, the same would be a disaster for a good tech. the same holds true as to why few techs ever make the change to sales. Personal integrity is too important to them to be a BS artists that being a good salesman requires. let me say this from the bottom of my heart, as one of the folks in this world who does create added value everyday to support myself and a number of others, and who is regularly called on to change the salesmans lies to customer satisfaction "SALESMEN are Assholes"
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 07:11, you wrote: > Hi Civilme, > You ARE a nice competent person in this geeky area, but you are exactly > like me floundering around out in the bog of "open source/sauce" when it > comes to the real world. > Re your points below. They are lovely. They are unreal. They didn't work > for Concurrent Dos, or Amiga, or RedHat or anyone else before and they > don't work now. The case isn't for pontification, but elucidation and it is > a simple question of actuality. > This is the real world. It is made up of numbers. > > Your points: > > 1. Makes no sense. You've never been invited inside Redmond obviously. > There are always a few key people that make a corporation go. Very few. In > a thousand employees, maybe 20 to 30 are extremely valuable. Not > irreplaceable - simply valuable. You may be confusing esprit de corp? > You ought to see how people fire up when the money rolls in! Talk to the > hungries on the outside at Redmond looking in at the salaried/optioned > inner ring. Redmond only need to run ads to satisfy the weird laws of > discrimination. > You ought to get in between two linux opponents! Say a SUSE fanatic and a > Mandrake one! I did it was reminiscent of my last trip to Ireland! > > 2. Wouldn't happen. Show those people who are useful some appreciation > ($$$$$$$$$) and it is amazing what happens. My professional trick for years > in turning around sick companies was always the same simple routine - and > nobody ever noticed. Here it is free, now that I'm retired :_) > First I spent money on the staff amenities. Paint, repair potholes in the > staff parking lot. Gave hefty increases to ANY positive and apparently > useful staff . Arranged TOTAL staff Sales Training. Turned everyone into > salespeople - the only CRITICAL people in any organisation. Unless the > product was dead, dead, it worked every time. I used to have my people do > an MLM-type pitch to the people. It was a lot of fun. Saved an awful lot of > jobs............................. RedHat is downsizing, too. > > 3. I wouldn't do it! I finally got clever in my old age and the one part of > ANY industry I would never do anything in, is the cheap end. I don't > believe in selling suitcases for $6, I'd rather sell Louis Viton valises > for $6,000. But if, if I did and I offered 5 year contracts at a decent > living wage to to the few people I'd want, there would be no shortage of > applicants, THAT I can assure you. It would only be competent ones that > would be in short supply - as always. > > One last odd true story from the real world. > Then I'm bowing out of this to wait and see........... > A fellow walked in to the office of a certain astoundingly successful sales > organisation and was stunned to learn that the fellow wandering around the > plush conference room was the "Sales Dept. Concierge". His job was to do > all the little things for the salespeople like pick up their laundry, > theatre tickets, take their cars for service/washing. He thought it was a > gimmick. An extravagance to hold the staff. It came as a great shock to him > to learn that he, as a Director of a large company, didn't earn as much as > these salespeople per year. And HE didn't rate a Concierge! But he was > only a Director. He was easily replaceable. A professional Salesman is like > a self-organised Software Engineer who can spell! He makes or breaks the > company. He pays everyone's wages. And it is extremely silly to use such a > man's time for picking up laundry, who brings in x millions of dollars per > year from his time. > But they were all replaceable, they knew it and were grateful for the > chance. > > > Cheers and very sincere best wishes and good night to all, > > John. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] How to best support Mandrake > > > OK enough pontification. > > (1) > > The fact is that your solution is untenable. The only assets a software > > companyy has are its people. The people at Mandrake make the company, > > and the fact that they are part of alinux community seems to have > > escaped you. > > (2) > > Do you really expect to pull an apple off a grape vine? Mandrakesoft > > would have to be changed down to the roots to make what you suggest > > happen, and then without the authors of the tools, they would have to > > pick up and go on. > > (3) > > So start your own company and see if you can find engineers who will > > take the -free- Mandrakesoft product and make it closed source. And > > best of luck to you. I won't help, and I doubt if you will find a > > handful of people associated with the Mandrakesoft effort who will. > > > > Civileme
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