On Fri, 13 May 2005 18:03:57 -0500
Tom disseminated the following:

> > So, this could affect things such as gaming as well? ie., 3D hardware
> > acceleration? 
> 
>      No, I believe that's why drivers like nVidia's an ATI's force a 
> kernel taint (proprietary intrusion). 'Course then your left with a 
> bugy insecure kernel and some other junk libs... but hell, you can 
> play shoot'em up games!

Then I'm happy :-) (See below)
 
>      Which is all you need 3d/accel for. So get a PlayStation ;)

Ugh. No thanks. I'll be a keyboard and mouse man all my days!! There is no other
way to play FPS properly, IMO.
 
> >>   ...and IME, it does. To the point of making a few coasters, even 
> >>with burnfree.  Others have reported even more severe problems. See 
> >>bugzilla #15955   http://qa.mandriva.com/wiki ]
> > 
> > 
> > The Bugzilla link seems to be dead...
> 
>      It often is, tho I tested it just before pastin it in.  It 
> failed once, second try was successful but very slow.  Anyhow it is 
> the 'official' Mandriva wiki, besides devel bugzilla.
> 
>     Basically the bug is not only are rr-scheduler an setpriority 
> denied, but a CD can't be burned as user without failin entirely. 
> Burning can't even finish without erroring out, usually I/O.
> 
> > Anyhow, I'm not tryin' to start a big tussle, I'm just curious to see where
> > all
> > this is headed. In the end, I have a feeling someone will come up with a
> > solution to this that satisfies both sides (ie. security vs. ease of use).
> 
>      Ah, but there's those that also note, that if Linux was as 
> desktop friendly as Win$ux, it would also become as vulnerable an 
> fragile (BSOD, locks, freezes, involuntary or required reboots, 
> security holes). IMO, if Linux was as easy as Winblows, it'd be even 
> worse than Windoze.

I understand that, but I guess I'm one of those who believe GNU/Linux is already
there, pretty much. I think a fair balance can be struck, at least the Mac shows
that, no? And we're talking about a potential step *backward* here, *perhaps*
unnecessarily upping the security level on an already pretty much bulletproof OS
at the expense of useability that was already there. My machine, with its 'buggy
insecure kernel' (NVidia driver), is as solid as a rock, and I haven't the
faintest concern about its security, not when I hear that a test of a default
install of MDK 9.2 with no firewall took six months to crack.

>      Un*x is primarily a server / multi user platform. When M$ tries 
> to match that, their offerings are even worse than their desktop 
> crap.  So it works both ways ;)

Hmmmm, I dunno. I think that may be an 'apples and oranges' thing. We're talking
about two completely different approaches to development, one which works and
one which doesn't, both by nature. I'm an RMS, ESR kinda guy, y'know? ;-)

Anyhow, like I say, I'm sure this will all work out okay, I'm just itchin' to
know how that's gonna happen.

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