On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:05:57 +0000
John Layt got an infinite number of monkeys to type out:

> > Basically, I'm worried that Mandriva is spending more time making KDE
> > 'friendly' to Windows users, and less time just making the OS work as it
> > should. I'm *hoping* someone is going to tell me I'm way off base on this,
> > which they usually do ;-)
> 
> My concern is that Mandriva are in fact moving in the opposite direction, i.e.
> making everything more Gnome dependent, a lot of the stuff under the hood, 
> like MCC and the HAL/DBUS/hot-plugging stuff is all Gtk/Gnome and has nothing 
> to do with K.  All that pop-up windows stuff when adding media stuff is 100% 
> gnome based projects.  

Did not know that. See, I knew someone would set me straight!

> I doubt the Gtk/Gnome crowd would ever write a CD burning app that requires 
> KDE code, or any app for that matter.  So unless Mandriva re-write rpm to 
> block installing non-KDE apps, I think your paranoia is misplaced.  If 
> Mandriva does go that extreme, you could always go Ubuntu/Fedora/whatever, 
> there will always be choices.

Um, Ubuntu sets up the first user to log on as the 'Admin' (yikes!) and
Fedora...well, from the hell that I see people going through on other lists... I
*want* to stick with Mandriva, it's been very good to me. Hell, I even shelled
out 120 bucks for a Silver membership. I love urpmi, I love PLF, and Debian
seems, well, boring. Good for an old server box, but...

> K has far less hardware/os integration going on then Gnome at the moment, 
> something to remember about KDE is that it aims to be multi-OS, i.e. it runs 
> on the BSD's, Solaris, and others as well, so needs to be OS independent, 
> manys the argument that goes on when code is introduced that is non-portable. 
> 
> Hey, and I'm not sure this is worth bragging about, come KDE4/QT4 K will even 
> run on top of windows!

I heard. Eeeeewwww. Like putting perfume on a pig.
 
> For example, on the sound side of things, you may be happy to know that arts 
> will be taken out and shot in KDE4, replaced by... nothing!  K decided they 
> are a Desktop project, not a Sound Server project, they will leave that to 
> teh experts and will just provide a thin layer plugin system so the user can 
> choose whatever sound server they want, gstreamer, esound, nmm, whatever.  
> Same goes for other hardware integration, they will use whatever services are 
> provided by the OS, not force their own hardware integration onto the OS.

Good to know.
 
> Part of KDE4 is also splitting their libraries up to be even smaller, less 
> interdependent so even if you choose to use a KDE app for one thing on 
> another DM, even fewer libraries will need to be loaded.  Of course, if you 
> choose to use a K app, then you should expect that it will load the services 
> it needs to be running to work.
> 
> Anyway, enough ranting, it's brunch-time!

You've earned it! That wasn't even a rant, that was very informative. Thanks for
giving me the low down, John.

See? That's why I hang out here, so people can assuage my paranoid delusions.

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