On Saturday 14 January 2006 9:24 am, Tom wrote:
> Steve Goodey wrote:
> > On Friday 13 January 2006 19:49, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >>In ether case, it is looking more and more like it is time to
> >>say goodbye to Mandriva, and find another distribution to play
> >>with. At this point, I will not bother to re-subscribe if I do
> >>get unsubscribed! So if you don't see any more posts from me,
> >>you will know what happened.
> >>
> >>Mikkel
> >
> > One of the reasons I'm moving onto another distro is that my DVB card
> > required kernel 2.6.14, which Mandriva seemed reluctant to go to.
> >
> > Thanks for your help in the past.
>
> IMO, Mikkel has been invaluable on this an other lists. Probly
> will be where ever he lands. OTOH....
>
> There's a 2.6.14 multimedia, an a 2.6.15.0 linus (both vanilla
> source, same you'd get directly from kernel.org) on 2006.1 devel
> (cooker) mirrors. They might fix your issues, but they're unpatched
> to work with many Mandriva specific features (or vice versa). So
> many things like auto mounting won't work. An it's not that
> Mandriva is reluctant to update their seriously deprecated an
> outdated 2.6.12 kernels, they seemed to have downsized development
> staff to the point they're not capable of rebuilding most all of the
> distro to be compatible with current kernels.
>
> IMO, despite the mailing list debacles, which are only really a
> symptom ("let them eat cake?"), Mandriva is a sinking ship unless
> they soon get current. If 2007 is released with old, obsolete,
> performance, hardware support, an capability, it's dead. At the time
> it appears (cooker ML) that is just what is fixin to happen. I doubt
> they can backport kernel improvements, three or more generations
> back to their 2.6.12 offerings.
>
> Other distros, FC5test2 (Fedora) is due Monday, Jan 16th, both
> from mirrors and by torrent. Four CD's.
> http://fedora.redhat.com/About/schedule/
>
> An Fedora has had current kernels an the rest of the distro to
> go with them all along. Even FC4 has current 2.6.14 an 2.6.15+
> kernels. An IME, at least the fedora-test an fedora-devel ML's are
> not only informative, but interesting. You'd be surprised by the
> heavy hitters in the Linux world that are members an contributors.
> An they work more than 35 hour/weeks, an don't take off on holiday's
> anywhere as near as often as the shorthanded French do at Mandriva.
> Maybe that's why Fedora is so far advanced ? Oh, an their ML's
> seem to work jus' fine ;)
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo
Since we are throwing opinions around, I think there are plenty of distros
around. Why start a new one? Is there a need? What is going to be
different from the others that will draw people to use it? With the ideas
thrown around, and the experience some of you have in finding and fixing
problems, why don't you find a distro with promise and help it along. That
seems to me to be a better way to compete with M$ than confusing pc
illiterate folks like me. I have no plans of going back to M$, and have
enjoyed (with occassional frustration) learning to run linux. I started with
Mandrake, but I had bought an older version (9.1) and it couldn't operate all
my hardware, so I got a pack from linuxcd.org (Man 10.1, Suse 9.2, FC4). I
am using Suse because it was the easiest for me to get every day things
running. I have learned a few things since trying Mandrake, so it probably
wouldn't cause me any trouble, now, that I couldn't handle. At the risk
(certainty?) of being thought strange, I like the way gnome looks better than
kde. Since FC keeps pretty current with that manager, I wanted to give it a
try, but the update suite was broken in FC4, so I couldn't even get their bug
fixes. Since I am on dial-up service, I have to watch what updates I accept.
But in FC4 it would hang as soon as it connected. I hope that is fixed in
FC5.
My wife has no interest in learning anything beyond gui, so it is up to me to
make things work. If you are going to make M$ lose ground. You need to make
a distro that I can use. (I say this since I am probably near the bottom of
the list on skill level) A distro that I can set up quickly enough to
satisfy someone that would be just as content to use a M$ product. (Even
though she is amazed at the stability of our system. ) Probably our next
step will be to try linspire, and if it "works", then it will be the main
family distro.
By the way one gripe about Suse is the availabilty of programs. I don't know
of anything similar to urpmi, or linspire's click n run. If linux is to
compete, a good distro will have to have a good easy to find program source,
and of course it should be easy to navigate. And, if you want a good
migration of windows users, it probably needs to come with wine, or
crossover, or whatever is needed to get mainstream games to run. That seems
to be a big hangup in people that I know.
Whether Mandwhatever continues, or not, I intend to keep playing with other
distros on occassion. As clueless as I am, I have managed to duel-boot, and
have FC4 on a second drive. So, I intend to keep one for me to play on, no
matter what we use as a family.
I have learned a lot from this list, and have saved a lot of messages to be
able to refer back to them. So, hopefully, I will see some of your names in
other places if this goes under. Thanks for all the help!
--
Lorin Pino
Stuck in the state of Missouri
But Macro$haft free!
Registered linux user #379683
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