On Wednesday 16 January 2002 10:45 pm, you wrote:
>    Thanks for the offer to help.  Let me update you on status of my
> problem. I completely downloaded the CVS files.  While I was doing this I
> located a few posts on what to do next.  Let me know it this sounds right
> to you:
>
> 1) Move the ../X11R6 and /X11 directories out of the way.
> 2) Copy XF86Site.def to host.def and edit it to make any changes to drivers
> you do not need or compiler optimizations.  I have no clue what changes I
> would need to make.
> 3) make World
> 4) make install
> 5) make install.man
>
>    I skipped step 2, but after I tried to "make World", I would get about
> 1/2 screen of text and then it would crash.  I researched the error a bit
> and found it was a bug in certain versions of gcc.  Rather than pull my
> hair out trying to fix this I opted to give up on Red Hat for now and
> switched to Mandrake 8.1.
>
>    Mandrake installed flawlessly.  It does not recognize the 8500, but I
> can load a GUI, something I couldn't do with Red Hat 7.2.  It's alot easier
> than trying to learn Linux from a command prompt and a few books.  The
> GNOME Configuration strangely doesn't have ANY video card listed.  If  I
> try to adjust the resolution or color depth, it tells me I need to first
> specify a video card.
>
>   ?????
>
>   If I can successfully download and compile the CVNs - do you think this
> will help to fix it?  Will the 8500 be configurable under GNOME or will I
> have to edit and file myself.
>
>   I sure could use any help you or anyone else could provide.
>
>   One thing is for sure, I've learned ALOT in the last two days.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian

OK, Brian, get ready, 'cuz here we go.....get psyched!

Probably the first thing you should do is make sure you have the compilers 
and libraries installed, because you'll need them. I always install all that 
development stuff, because you never know when you'll want them (like right 
now....

Mandrake  8.1 won't recognize the Radeon 8500. And we know XFree 4.1 doesn't.

Assuming you've got this stuff ready to go, you should now have an /xc 
directory. This is where we'll start. Change to your /xc directory and type:

make World >& world.log

Ok, go have coffee or lunch or something, because this step takes a while (on 
a really fast computer, just under half an hour. On a slower computer, quite 
a bit longer. (I think mine was an hour)

There's a text file in /xc/config/cf called site.def. You are going to edit 
this file. The reason you are going to do that is so that when you actually 
install X, it is NOT going to overwrite your already installed version of X. 
Are you with me so far? What you are changing is about halfway through the 
file. It is....

#ifndef ProjectRoot
#define ProjectRoot /usr/X11R6
#endif

With this configuration, X would be installed into /usr/X11R6, which I think 
would overwrite the original X installation. Therefore, take your text editor 
and change that directory to /usr/local/X11R6 (that's what I used). You MUST 
create this directory FIRST before you try to install X. Everything else in 
the file is probably OK.

Ok, you're ready to install X.    su to root and type:

make install

This goes pretty quick--about 5 minutes.

I don't know if this next step is absolutely necessary, but it can't 
hurt.When X is installed, go to your /etc directory and find a file called 
ld.so.conf. Apparently, this file tells where your libraries are found. Edit 
the file to read /usr/local/X11R6/lib. Then run the ldconfig command (as 
root) so your new libraries get recognized.

OK , now in /etc/X11, you should have a file called XF86Config-4. This this 
the XFree86 4.1 config file, which you will need to edit. I'm attaching mine 
as a guide. You can use it (it works for me) but you MUST adjust the 
horizontal and vertical scan rates to match YOUR monitor, because these are 
my settings--unless your monitor is the same as mine (Samsung 900NF). Note 
the part about that references ATI and Radeon.

If it doesn't already exist, create a symlink called X from /etc/X11 to 
/usr/local/X11R6/bin/XFree86  (XFree86 is the actual server)

OK, we're just about done. There's a file called xinitrc in /etc/X11/xinit.
If you want to start Gnome (Mandrake defaults to KDE) go to the last 
line--the one that starts with "exec"

Change this line to exec /usr/bin/kde (or whatever you prefer to use) (I'm 
assuming Gnome would be something like <path-to> gdm (is that Gnome display 
manager?)

And you're done! Now cross your fingers, grit your teeth, say a prayer, and 
startx!

Attached is my XF86Config-4 file for use or reference. Hope I helped and that 
you can make sense out of this. 

Lloyd Osten
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ # 63460821

# File generated by XFdrake.

# **********************************************************************
# Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of
# this file.
# **********************************************************************

Section "Files"

    RgbPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.

    FontPath   "unix/:-1"

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Server flags section.
# **********************************************************************

Section "ServerFlags"

    # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is
    # received.  This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may
    # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging
    #NoTrapSignals

    # Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><BS> server abort sequence
    # This allows clients to receive this key event.
    #DontZap

    # Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> mode switching
    # sequences.  This allows clients to receive these key events.
    #DontZoom

    # This  allows  the  server  to start up even if the
    # mouse device can't be opened/initialised.
    AllowMouseOpenFail

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Input devices
# **********************************************************************

# **********************************************************************
# Keyboard section
# **********************************************************************

Section "InputDevice"

    Identifier "Keyboard1"
    Driver      "Keyboard"
    Option "AutoRepeat"  "250 30"

    Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
    Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
    Option "XkbLayout" "us"

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Pointer section
# **********************************************************************

Section "InputDevice"

    Identifier  "Mouse1"
    Driver      "mouse"
    Option "Protocol"    "IMPS/2"
    Option "Device"      "/dev/usbmouse"
    Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
#    Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#    Option "Emulate3Timeout"    "50"

# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice

#    Option "ChordMiddle"

EndSection



Section "Module"

# This loads the DBE extension module.

    Load        "dbe"


# This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables
# initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module.

    SubSection  "extmod"
        #Option "omit xfree86-dga"
    EndSubSection

# This loads the Type1 and FreeType font modules

    Load        "type1"
    Load        "freetype"
EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Monitor section
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of monitor sections may be present

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier "monitor1"
    VendorName "Unknown"
    ModelName  "Unknown"


# HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified.
# HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
    HorizSync  30-110


# VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified.
# VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
    VertRefresh 50-160


# This is a set of extended mode timings typically used for laptop,
# TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.
# These are available along with standard mode timings.

# Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)?
# 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync
ModeLine "1024x480"    65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344   480  488  494  563 -hsync -vsync

# 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync
ModeLine "768x576"     50.00  768  832  846 1000   576  590  595  630
# 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync
ModeLine "768x576"     63.07  768  800  960 1024   576  578  590  616


EndSection



# **********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
# **********************************************************************

#Section "Device"
#    Identifier "Generic VGA"
#    Driver     "radeon_drv"
#EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier  ""
    VendorName  "ATI"
    BoardName   "Radeon"
    Driver      "ati"
    VideoRam    65536
    # Clock lines


    # Uncomment following option if you see a big white block        
    # instead of the cursor!                                          
    #    Option      "sw_cursor"

    Option      "DPMS"  "on"
EndSection



# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************


Section "Screen"
    Identifier "screen1"
    Device      ""
    Monitor     "monitor1"
    DefaultColorDepth 16
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes       "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       15
        Modes       "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes       "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
EndSection


Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier "layout1"
    Screen     "screen1"

    InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"

    InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

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