What I meant by 'desktop' is the window that XFree86 runs in.
When I run 'startx' on command line (e.g. in a Cygwin bash process, kicked
off by cygwin.bat), a large window pops up entitled 'Cygwin/XFree86'. This
is different from eXceed in that when eXceed starts it displays a brief
splash then runs quietly on the taskbar - when any x app is started it
displays in it's own window which floats among all other windows, rather
than running inside of a larger window as is the case with XFree86.
The nice thing about that arrangement is that I can tile ms-windows apps
next to x apps. I don't want a Linux-like desktop (cute KDE control
panels, etc) - I just want xterms and x apps (running locally or remote) to
play nicely with windows apps. So again, the nice thing about that is that
I can work with Windows apps and x apps tiled side by side without having
this huge 1024x768 x-server window blocking out much of my Windows desktop.
The reason I like xterms over Cygwin's bash process because I grew up on
them. I prefer the plain 100 dpi fonts, select/paste functions, keyboard
mapping, etc. I could (and do) use some well made terminal progs like
SecureSRT.
eXceed is now up to version 7.1. I have 6.1 but I've been using XFree86
recently and just thought I'd ask whether it can be started in this
run-separate-windows sort of mode.
I installed KDE 2.2.1 just for fun, but it loads the cpu. I tried XFCE
which is much lighter on the cpu (again, both running in the giant X-server
window) but their cygwin precompiled bundle was missing a lot. I've also
tried compiling their latest version, but now I'm realizing that cygwin
development environment is a bit weak - I can't get any of the following
packages to compile: GTK+, libiconv, glib, pkgconfig, etc. (not ported
versions - these are the generic Linux sources so they probably wont
compile without a bit of effort)
--Chesh
Ted Spradley wrote:
>
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:20:44 -0500
> Cheshire Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Can XFree86 run as a no-desktop X server?
>
> It's not clear what you mean by "desktop" here. You can certainly run X
> with no window manager, try it. Just start an xterm instead of a window
> manager in your .xinitrc or .xsession. I think you'll find that when
> you start more clients, all the windows will be placed at 0,0 and you'll
> have no way to switch focus among them or move them around.
>
> > That is to say can it
> > behave like Hummingbird's eXceed version 6.x, where there isn't any X
> > desktop or window manager to speak of - X apps just popup onto the
> > Windoze environment (I guess there's still a window manager, but it
> > just manages each X window - not a desktop; perhaps that behavior is
> > due to an eXceed proprietary wm (?)
>
> I believe what's going on here is that window management services (focus
> and placement) are provided by MS-Windows.
>
> What are you trying to accomplish? I think you'll find that if you want
> to run more than one client concurrently, you'll want some sort of
> window manager. There are some very small, simple, light-weight ones
> out there. I personally like Blackbox, but there are some that are even
> smaller and simpler. Look around at http://www.plig.org/xwinman/
>
> Also bear in mind that the window manager has no more need than any
> other client to run on the same host as the server. You can put your
> window manager on any convenient host and start it automatically when
> you log into the X server host.
<snip>
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