Hi Thomas, Sebastian, Richard and Andrew, Thank you all for your courteous and helpful replies. As you will read further in this email I am currently struggling to adapt to the system the newbies list uses to display and reply to emails so I am going to try for now to reply in one email to the respondents by addressing them with their names at the start of the paragraphs that are directed specifically at them. Thomas Re: Hi Paul,
the island shows up as 'Peel Island' in Mapnik Rendering. So I think you have done everything ok. Rendering is done as a batch job, scheduled by priorities and separately for every zoom level. Some levels have a higher priority than others. Priorities depend on load, number of downloads, number of edits, tides, moon phases and whatnot. There are means to speed up rendering, but do not use them everytime. There is a reason for using priorities. You can change the renderer in the upper right corner and choose Osmarender. There is a maintenance page at http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-27.494783935981395&lon=153.35702856982994&zoom=12&layers=B0000F000F At zoomlevel 12 you can request a rerendering ('R') or you can call the infopage ('I') and click on the 'rerender' button. You can track the rendering state there. This speeds up rendering in level 12 and has no effect on other levels. But be aware that the rendering machines are basically debugging tools to help you in creating map data. Rendering for common or special purposes is not done, but everyone can do it by himself (a question of time and interest). So the results on openstreetmap.org are not aimed at being used as a map, primarily. Be patient, though. If once rendered correctly in one zoom level, the map will update within some weeks in all levels as well. Have fun, Thomas Thanks for the email confirming that the issue is not something I have done (or not done). Now that is confirmed I'm happy to let the system deal with it. Sending my earlier email raises another issue though. I sent the email through my normal email account to the newbies list I expected the list to publish it under my osm account but I was dismayed to see that it published it as a normal email with my email address exposed for any bots to trawl through and pick it up. I have edited my account settings to use my "spam" address. I have been involved with forums for many years now but I cant work this one out I'm not able to post a reply to a thread. I have to start a new thread. I get the emails sent to me as a digest so maybe that is the reason. I am in other groups and in those I get the emails sent to me as a digest as well. However, I have an option of going to the group to post or view the threads. Maybe I'm missing something. I can see the threads in the archive however I have not been able to see an option to reply there.. Can you tell me what app you are using to view and reply to the posts in this group please? Am I missing something obvious? Sebastian Re There is a trick to update mapnik: Right click on a tile to get the image adress. (Something like http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/242316/152039.png) You can update that tile by visiting this address: http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/242316/152039.png/dirty It is usually updated within a few seconds. To see the time of last update enter http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/18/242316/152039.png/status Thanks for the tip Sebastian, I'll keep it on hand in case I need it in the future. Re: It looks fine to me. What do you expect to see on the map? Many tags, like maxspeed and surface, are not shown on the main map. But they are still important because they are used for routing and other specialized maps! What I was expecting to see is what I see now!!! I must have been just a little too impatient in this case as the tagging of the street names that I did for that suburb had not appeared on the rendered map immediately before I sent that email last night. However now it is there! I can understand your confusion Sebastian wondering what I was expecting to see but it definitely was not there immediately before I sent the email. Thanks again for the tip mentioned above. Richard: Very nice. On the ground surveys, of places that are intimately familiar make for the best, richest data. Well done. Adding the postbox, telephone and grocery, are details that add to the character of your neighbourhood. Perhaps you'll add the name of the convenience store? That small-business owner may never have been on a map before. Perhaps print a copy and give it to them? Consider adding more details. Are there footpaths or bike trails in the park? Hi Richard, thanks for the welcome. I could add the name of the Convenience Store but I don't know how to do that at this stage. I'd be happy to print out a copy of the map and show it to Neville (the shop owner). He would be chuffed to see it I reckon. The park has a set of playground equipment and some BBQs, There may be a path that crosses it (I'm not too sure) there is a small covered seating area. I would like to explore the process of linking photographs to the map (I have the necessary equipment but not the knowledge ...yet.) so maybe this would be a good opportunity to experiment with that. Along Ripley, to the Northwest, there is an unnamed road, before the roundabout. Is that a road or a driveway? You can fill in details, like highway=service service=driveway for driveways, and business names and street addresses that really fill-in an area. The road to the Northwest that you mentioned is actually the entrance to and a car park of a religious church. There is a gate across the entrance road that is closed apart from when there is a service or meeting being conducted there. The gate is fairly close to the road ... maybe 15 or 20 meters from the road. The road as it is displayed on the map is not correct as much of what is marked as road way is actually the car-park I suppose technically it is the road still, only it runs through the car-park. I have been in there once, and from memory, the road actually continues around further than is marked. I believe it would be private property from that gate, however. I have considered making some corrections to that area but wasn't sure just how I should deal with those issues mentioned, so left it in the too hard basket. maybe tags of highway=service service=driveway along with a Place of worship tag and the name of the religious organisation (I can't remember what it is at the moment) would deal with it, I suppose. There appears to be a dirt road east of Fischer, near the speed limit change; driveway or road? I'm impressed that you have picked up that I corrected the changed speed limit from 50 to 60ks!!! You are exactly right though. That road is a road reserve. The road has never been made but there has been a track there from before the time that I started coming out here as a little boy (I'm 51 now) to visit my Grandparents. (They were the Falveys that Falvey Street was named after.) The road reserve has a name, Monterea Road. It runs down a slope and the water tends to follow the track and so has eroded it quite badly in places. There is a water course / drain at the bottom, near Ripley Rd, running North/ South (ish) that almost never dries up and is quite boggy most of the time. I suppose if you really needed to it would be possible to go through it in a 4WD but I doubt anyone goes through there. I have considered walking it with the GPS to get a set of marks for it, but I think marking it as a pathway would give people the impression that it would be an easy walk, when in fact, although not very long, it would be rough walking and crossing the wet area at the bottom would probably result in getting boots full of mud unless the walker was wearing proper hiking boots. The weather is still quite warm here, so even if I were to walk it I would leave it till it is a bit cooler and drier so as to not be so difficult to walk. Higher on the hill the houses in Falvey Street that back on to it tend to use it as a rear access/ fire break for their properties. In some places it is mowed and tree cleared for 30 to 50 meters width. That bushland to the north of Monterea Rd is full of tracks. The local council have a problem with illicit dumping in that (and many other) areas around here. They have erected a sign at the other side of the bushland (At the intersection of the Reif Street road reserve and Fischer Rd) that says all vehicles are to keep out. It does not say that pedestrians are not allowed, however mapping the tracks through there would be a nightmare, due to the amount of them and the complexity of the network. I have walked the Reif Street Road reserve from Fischer Rd through to Ripley Road. That is quite a pleasant walk. Andrew: The edits I was asking about were street names and some streets that I have drawn in. As of today, the street names in question have appeared. I'm confident now that the other edits will appear in good time. It is just good for a newbie to have someone more experienced have a look and say "yes it appears to not be errors on your part that are stopping your edits from showing on the map." Thanks to all for replying. Regards, Paul
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