At the White House, Joking about a Torture Investigation?
- By David Corn | Tue April 14, 2009 12:58 PM PST

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/04/white-house-joking-about-torture-investigation

I was asked to go on Hardball on Tuesday night to discuss the news 
that Spanish prosecutors are likely to recommend a full investigation 
be conducted to determine if six former Bush administration 
officials-including ex-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales-ought to be 
indicted for having sanctioned torture at Guantanamo. So I thought 
I'd ask White House press secretary Robert Gibbs about the matter.

This could become a true headache for the White House-a high-profile 
case in which Spanish prosecutors bring charges against Gonzales; 
Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense; David Addington, 
former counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney; William Haynes, a 
former Pentagon lawyer; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, two former 
Justice Department officials. Several steps must occur before any 
prosecution proceeds.

If the prosecutors determine a full criminal investigation is 
warranted--as is expected--it will be up to a Spanish judge to open a 
full-fledged inquiry that could produce indictments. He could decide 
not to accept the recommendation. And, of course, it's possible that 
an investigation could end without indictments. The Spanish hook for 
the case is a simple one: Five Guantanamo detainees were either 
Spanish citizens or residents. And, by the way, Spanish courts claim 
jurisdiction that extends to other nations when it comes to torture 
and war crimes.

What would the Obama administration do, if the Spanish judge 
currently overseeing the Bush Six case, Baltasar Garzon (who is 
famous for pursuing terrorists and for having chased after Chilean 
dictator Augusto Pinochet), greenlights the investigation? At the 
Tuesday afternoon White House daily briefing, I asked Gibbs if the 
administration would cooperate with any requests from the Spaniards 
for information and documents. He had a predictable response: "I 
don't want to get involved in hypotheticals." He quickly pivoted to 
point out that Obama has moved to prohibit torture at Gitmo and 
elsewhere.

I posed a follow-up: Have you spoken to the Spanish government about 
this case? He seized on my use of the word "you" and, with a broad 
smile, said, "I have not spoken with the Spanish." Reporters in the 
room laughed. I obviously did not mean him personally; the "you" had 
referred to the Obama administration. Nor did I mean, I added, Bill 
Burton, the deputy press secretary, or any of the other press aides 
in the room. The point was whether the administration had been in 
contact with the Spanish government about the Bush Six investigation. 
"The Justice Department?" I asked. Gibbs, though, essentially brushed 
off the question: "I would send you to Justice. Like I said, I've not 
spoken" to the Spanish government.

That, too, was to be expected. Often White House press secretaries 
say, take your query elsewhere. Yet moments later, when a reporter 
asked Gibbs if Obama had any reaction to the conservative groups 
organizing "tea parties" of protest on tax day, he replied, "I've 
never monitored them nor spoken with the Spanish about them." People 
in the room laughed. And when the questioning in the room turned to 
the all-important subject of the Obama's new Portuguese water dog, 
Gibbs continued the joke. Noting that the dog might be spotted on the 
White House lawn later in the day or that it might not, he added that 
"the dog has also not talked to the Spanish about impending torture 
cases." More laughter. But I wondered, had the press secretary just 
made a joke about a torture investigation? Gibbs, like other press 
secretaries, uses humor to disarm, deflect, or dodge. But was this 
untoward?

The president and his aides do not seem eager to investigate the 
alleged misdeeds of the Bush-Cheney administration. The political 
calculation is obvious and not without justification: There's a lot 
of hard stuff to get done these days and probing former Bush 
officials could be seen as a distraction and possibly undermine 
political support for the administration and Democrats in Congress. 
But such political figuring may not influence the independent Spanish 
judicial system and Judge Garzon (who has been asked by Spanish 
prosecutors not to continue handling the Bush Six case because he is 
already overseeing terrorist prosecutions against these ex-Gitmo 
detainees). If an investigation proceeds, Obama could well have to 
decide whether or not to comply with Spanish requests for US 
government documents--that is, to help or hinder the investigation. 
Later in the process, Obama could even conceivably have to contend 
with extradition requests. If any of this comes to pass, it won't 
then be a laughing matter.
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