Hi All Thanks for the wonderful conversations regarding this matter - good to keep things real and critical.
Personally and on behalf of my organisation (Friends of the Earth Australia), we would not touch this offer and have concerns regarding Goggle (a..ka mega corp information control) aspirations. But that said On 30/9/07 2:58 AM, "Alexander Limi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you tried raising these issues with them, especially now that they > are trying to court NGOs? I'm sure they are willing to listen. > > If you don't get any sensible answers, I'm happy to help with locating the > right people (and take it to Larry and Sergey if necessary). I agree that > these are serious issues. > > Alexander > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:05:18 -0700, and <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> It doesn't however seem that youtube have relaxed their highly dubious >> terms and conditions which basically allow them to do near anything >> with your work. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/t/terms >> "by submitting User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a >> worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable >> license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, >> display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube >> Website and YouTube's (and its successors' and affiliates') business, >> including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or >> all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media >> formats and through any media channels." >> >> I think this is incredibly problematic for any media producer, >> particularly non-profits who are often putting up sensitive materials >> (human rights violations say or indigenous issues). The fact that CC >> licenses are also not available is also cause for concern for those >> interested in marrying their principals with how they license their >> work. I don't think giving away 300 digital cameras (a drop in the ocean >> for YT) really cuts it myself particularly given YT will basically get a >> stack of free content they can then advertise next too, they'll make up >> the cost of those cameras pretty quickly. Add to this the fact that YT >> make it hard to download and remix work and only offer low-resolution >> flash video and you still have a pretty standard 'broadcast' media model. >> >> In my opinion YT basically offer an audience, highly valuable, but for >> me it's not enough. I think Plone people should be much more interested >> in creating alternatives to YT that allow people to control their >> content and gather money from advertising or donations which YT doesn't >> currently allow (though apparently they are moving to.) Basically that's >> some of the core reasons for EngageMedia/Plumi <http:/plumi.org> which >> we've been working on for a while now. >> >> If you want to read more rants along this line you can check >> http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/ >> >> Cheers. >> Andrew >> >> On 29/09/2007, at 4:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0700, Alexander Limi >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>>> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too >>>>> though, there must be something in the air at google :-) >>>> >>>> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :) >>> >>> Nice, I just saw that they are giving away video cameras to the first >>> 300 NGOs that sign up I wasn't aware of that: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits >>> >>> --Alexander Limi · http://limi.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NGO mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo > > -- Derec Davies Friends of the Earth P. (61) 7 3846 5793 M. (61) 0421 835 587 E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Po Box 5702 West End Queensland, 4101 Australia _______________________________________________ NGO mailing list [email protected] http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo
